No no, the sylfies would live in the high mountains, since they have a 'link' with wind, and open skies. That's why they differ from the walderians, even if they could be 'cousins' or something.

but then again, the sylfidions and walderians live in forests, right? i think it's too crowded, maybe the sylfies should live with the humans instead.

merged: 03-26-2006 ~ 05:44pm
anyway, i would prefer fall to be a sylfie. it's just a personal thought neway.

Ahah your idea rocks, Drak... But those cynidians are going to be far more powerfull than rain or any human in normal form

Well about changing the name of the sylviadorns (it's from sylvius, forest in latin), i'm okay for it. maybe we could get the Walderians (from the german wald, forest), then there would be no confusion at all !
Drak, i agree that the roots are hidden when they don't use it, but they still should have mossy feet or something. And they could use them to climb stuff or something, and maybe could be underground weapons as well (like making wall fall with the roots from below). And about the size, you're right as well, they should not be 4 meters tall, but somewhere around the 2 meters or something (which is "normal")
about the lithorians, i didn't say that they should join rain's party at all. But maybe if we agree on the titanus, we can make the lithorians more of a mix between dwarf and stone, so they'd be really small... we have too many tall people in there !

About your race, the cynidians, they're cool, but i don't think they should have a specific village. more like they're scattered in all the world, maybe they're nomads, and they can go along with the walderians and the sylifidions (because they're somehow close, these two races being the nature, the cynidians animals). Or they could have a very secret city, a bit like Lothlorien

interesting idea, drak. kinda reminds me of the beastmaster and morpher from FF tactics advance: the beastmaster can control monsters, and the morpher can TURN into monsters...

Okay, about the races:

sylfidions: I don't know about the wind part... with all you wrote, Anj, they kinda remind me of driads and fearies... that may just be me though

sylviadorns: well, the name is a bit similar to the above so maybe we should change it... I like most part of this, except for two things: maybe it'd be better for the roots in their feet to hid when they're not using them (like for sleeping?)... and the second part is their height... I don't know, but Fall being tall for like four meters (that's around 4 feet if I calculate right) kinda ruins my vision of her (btw, I may be dated but if Wint is supposed to fall for her... well, human falling in love with a giant as she might be called seems a bit weird to me)... but above that I think it's pretty cool

lithorians: sounds a lot like some sort of golems... and I don't think we could think of a good character from that race to join Rain's party (meaning someone of an interesting fighting style with some message behind him... or her).

titanus:they kinda sound like simple giants to me really (only smaller)... but if there was a giant joining Rain's party and we'll agree to put the thief I pruposed before in the team too, they could hae quarrels between each other (the thief would keep complaining that the giant is too big to sneak behind an enemy and the sort).

I don't have any special suggestions except the race I pruposed earlier, but I kinda had another idea for a race:

cyndians (I don't have a good name for them really): they'd be similar to humans (the same posture, the differance should be minor like skin color which could be a little greenish and they can or maybe even should have animal-like eyes or animal ears) but there's one BIG differance between them and humans - they're allied to animals, thus they can talk to them and at birth every cyndian is given a special medallion that gives him an animal ally... in this case it's the abillity to take that animal's features (so, for example, when it's a bull the cyndian can create horn, turn himself into a bull, get the strength equal to that animal etc... or when it's a hawk he can grow wings, turn his hands into claws and so on... there would be various possibilities)... also they're good with nature magic (so controling elements or commanding plants)... of course they're Gaia's believers... and we could make that race even deeper, like being the first humans in the world... to explain that, lets assume Gai first created animals, in time cyndians appeared (evolution and so on) and from them first humans were born...
This sounds a bit like druids from some RPG game, but we could make a long episode (meaning many-chapter adventure) when Rain and his party visits the forest and either have to fight with them or help them (more preferable in this case) protect the forest... with all I wrote this race gives us quite a few possibilities of creating unique warriors... and if we decided to give on to Rain's team, he or she can be a medic, since they naturally know things about herbs and all (like if we make someone allied to a hedgehog he or she could create spikes from his body, that would be used as weapons... making a mole ally the one could grow large claws on the hands and move underground... there are few possibilities).

anjhurin: nice going there, anj. somehow maybe there should be a change to the elf-ent race, cos' their name sound almost the same with the sylfidions. people might get confuse with it though. the lithorans, they sounded like a monster called golem (which appears in almost every RPG), but it's a good idea to make them as a race.

and may i suggest a race?

Titanus (obviously, from the word Titan of the greek mythology): a race of giant people 8 to 9 feet tall. they were once part of balthazar's demon army, but since the war was over they were nearly wiped out by the other races. they live hiding high up in the mountains, where it's cold. they were not really intelligent, and led simple lives (like vikings you know, farming and having cattle) and some robbed travellers and traders.

maybe there should be a Titanus who'll join rain and his gang.

I agree with everyone, the idea of overseers is too "passive", just like they can see, but not actually act, in the story of the world. "Guardians" would be a better word, but it might apply for both the demon lords and the gods, since there need to be a balance between good and evil. So maybe have the "good guardians" and "evil guardians", but then again it's a bit categorizing the things... just "guardians" might be okay, like the hindian gods which had an evil side to them.

About the different races, i've come up with a few ideas :

sylfidions : that name reminds me of the wind in a way, so i believe they'd have hair and clothes floating in the wind all the time (even if there's no wind), and they'd be musicians of some kind (flutes and everything), and live in high mountains, have feather-clothes, and be named after wind (zephyr, zahir, mistral, sirroco etc...)

sylviadorns : mix of elf and ent, they have some kind of rooted feet, they're very tall, sleep standing (rooted), and there are different kinds but not separated (like there are different kind of trees in a forest). they obviously live in forests, have leaves-clothes (like fall, maybe she's one of them), and their hair (if they have hair) change color according to the season (well it depends if they're pine trees or not ^_^)

lithiorans (from the greek or latin lithios = stone) : they'd be a mix of giant and rock, bury their dead in the desert (because stone turns to sand, just like a cycle), are boulder-like, and they "edge" themselves as they grow (like how you get a rough stone into a gem), so they'd be angular and polished when fully grown. Usually have gem / rock names (saphir, aqua (marine), ...). They live in rocky-sandy areas (something like the great canion), and worship water (because it smoothes their edges over a long time... the elders could have a more round shape, because of frequent bathing in rivers... which could be some kind of ceremony of them)...

Well just thought of all the details last night, i hope you like that. I think we can somehow introduce a lot of diversity into the design of these races

overseers doesn't sound right though it doesn't carry the same weight as gods does so i tried to mix it up a bit. sure that's what they are but its not really a god-like status kinda name. and we don't have to do that i just threw it out there.

Theo's features of being half-demon being magically removed is not that bad, but doing so we may miss a good opportunity to present Rain and corps reaction to seeing his horns or whatever... then again, scars can work as well, so...

Thanks, but I really just wrote the first thing to my head... as for changing races names: I'm NOT against it or anything, but if we'll decided to make 'sylfidions' exactly like elves, so we practically won't be original coz they'd be just elves with different name... maybe we could modify the races a bit (like their culture) or invent our own... for example, I once did an RPG system in a fantasy world with a race that was totally my idea: grimer (I think I heard that name somewhere, but can remember way). Anyways, grimers were something like a mix between ogres, elves and something else: they were big like orges, their fangs grew out from their mouth, they had spiky ears and lived in touch with nature and their skin was completely brown. Most of them were warriors and they disliked mages... if you like it, we can use it in our story too...

Changing 'god' is a good idea... might be a bit confusing, but overall good... I like the 'overseer' proposition... it's just doesn't seem all that powerful... maybe we could find something... stronger (if you get what I mean)... I had no ideas in this matter for the time being, but I'll think about it.

uh, buggydude, how bout' 'overseers'?

etherseers? for some odd reason that word formed in my mind. in essense i combined to words to mean the overseers of the world. could be used in place of gods.

merged: 03-22-2006 ~ 11:23am
roughly translated by the way

julians right!

i suggest we also change the term "gods" with something catchier and original
like avatar or something...or you can think of something cooler xd
i think the term "gods" are overused and religiously profane...

sylfidions sounds catchy. nice one drak... i've always imagined theo as an old wizard... but maybe due to his longetivity, he might just look like a man in his 40s... and if he has horns, he would need a hat...

ps: name changing is necessary if we want to be original, my friend.

i believe that theo would have had his features taken off (ablation or something) when he turned his back to the demon's lords and joined the good gods. In fact it could be magically done, so he wouldn't have any scars. Or it could have scars, and therefore hide those with a hat and stuff

I'm not too much for gods representing races either, as Drak pointed out, it'd be too complicated and not really following the story so far !
Oh and btw, nice word for elves.... it would actually mean the same, but bring in some novelty or something !

I'm not sure about one god representing one nation idea... it's not bad, but think about it: I mean, the race that would get Crinos, who is the god of destruction could be automatically assigned as evil and those would get Meeve and Belios, who are god completely good, would be consider peaceful and such... and more so, the demons are supposed to be somewhat equivalents of the gods, so each race should have a demon of their own as well...
As it's all about balance, I think it'd be better to have all races pray to the same gods, but that's just my opinion...
As for changing the names: it's managable, but is it really necessarry? What I mean to say is what good will it bring if we replace 'elves' with, for example, 'sylfidions'? (on the other hand, what bad will it bring?).

The idea of Thoe's feats in his body seem pretty good... but maybe we'll just make him wear a hat all the time (to hide the horns) and such? Well, the idea of parts grownt into body is cool, but isn't the horns and stuff inborn? I'm not sure if a possibility to hide it is... well, lets say logical, but I was looking for a different word...

well, if we want to be original, we should rename the races, but the elven features and dwarven features will stay... because i think the word 'elf' and 'dwarf' is just getting boring.

merged: 03-20-2006 ~ 02:38pm
hey hey, how about we make the gods and demons represent each race? maybe gaia would represent the humans, belios represent the elves...

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merged: 03-20-2006 ~ 11:00am
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@drak: maybe but i dunno if he were to have traits they would hafta be hidden at first because we would wanna keep that knowledge a secret until later in the story. maybe his horns/wings/tail etc. can go into his body so he looks like a normal human and then he can just grow them out on command.

@anjhurin: lol thankz for the compliment. i had a good idea for once. that's prolly an omen of some sort o.O

@julian1: i dunno about changing the names of the races i think people have become so attached to those names as a whole that seeing the same race with a different name would kinda throw them off a bit and might not be the best course. but that's just me

Yeah, Fall could be an elf... if we'll be making other races that is... I think the idea is good...
But Theo being half-demon.... I don't know, somehow it kinda bugs me... then again, a half-demon that became a priest is quite original... but then, if we make him a half-demon, shouldn't he have some demon features? (like small horns, a tail or bat wings or something like that?).

if we plan to make him to have demon blood, maybe he could be a kickass old man after all. someone should go and think up a name for the elven and dwarven creatures.

ps: what about giants? they could be the race that work under balthazar in his demon army long ago.

merged: 03-20-2006 ~ 12:05am
say, is fall an elf? elves are usually close to nature, so with her leafy cloak and all, i think she should be an elf, maybe exiled from her race because she's a BC and she's still finding an answer to her dark side.

OOOOOH i like that idea of theo being a balthy's underling, during the great war maybe. Actually he could have some demon blood to him, which would explain the long life-span... like he's the child of a human (raped woman... or even not human)-demon... but then there should be more than one of his kind, except if the gods eradicated them all but him, who turned good !
That would be veryyyy dark indeed

theo could maybe have once been under the service of balthazar (like a dark general or something of a massive army and slaughter tons of innocent people) then he grows a conscience and realizes this is all terrible and separates from balthazar and is now looking for some means of forgiveness for his sins.

Well, the races issue should be decided rather soon, since we should plan out the team some time in the near future... Spike's idea is pretty good, but there's just one thing: I think other races (especially such as dwarves and elves) would have more then one village, so for every town we'd have to think of something different... and I agree with the fact that if there will be other races, some representants of them should join Rain's party... even to make it fair.

Well, making my thief cocky could be fun, I have two 'buts' to that though:
1) he never really hid that he's a thief and as such he's not exactly the warrior type (the sneak behind opponents in order to avoid fighting, so...) ... it's not a big issue, but should be taken under consideration
2) with making him cocky I have a strange felling he'll become like Usopp from "One Piece" too much...
The idea is not bad, but not sure if it'll be a good move in this case.

Yes, but as I said, Theo is the priest of the God of Peace so him being a warrior seems a bit off...
I like the idea of his dark past though... like he became a priest of a peaceful god because he did something shameful or evil in the past... that would make this character more mysterious...

With the hibernation idea very good but why not just make it they can't leave their villages or towns whatever because they're protected against evil energies?There r a few ways we could do this:

- For an elvish type race their village could be in the middle of like a maze forest
that filters xzars energy(or a special tree that creates like a shield around the
town).
- For a dwarve type race they could be inside a holy mountain that protects them
because of some special gem they mine for(we could make one of the scrolls is
down there maby ?).
There are heaps of ways but I won't mention em all ^^.

Also if 1 or two scrolls are in a town (or whatever) of another race and the group save the town from one xzars scroll hunters the town would be indebted to them and would rally to help fight if rain and co ask.
it's the old: it's not what ya know, it's
who ya know idea lol, and it kills a few birds with one scroll (i mean stone )

also about the thief why not make him cocky most of the time but when he knows he can't win he's a little coward who try's to weasel his way out of it ^^ .The cocky part would piss of rain but when they get into fights he mysteriously dissapears lol.
like a cross between gojyo from saiyuki and myoga from inuyasha (forgive me if i didn't spell it properly).

Why can't theo kick a little butt? He could use short slow moves to dodge attacks and piss an enemy off then belt them on the head when the enemies off balance
(ya gotta watch those old folks they're tricky lol)
Ooooh i had an idea =3 ,what if theo isn't exactly who he appears to be eh? Ya know not exactly squeaky clean.

I think at the very least there should be an elvish type person or maby a giant with who wishes he was shorter and a midget who wishes they were taller lol.
Ya know like the race doesn't wanna trust rivia's future to a bunch oh humans so they tell someone they trust to tag along.

Hmmm i think that's it , oh one more thing ppl please try to post in some sort of paragraphs, i nearly went crosseyed trying to catch up lol .