Thank you Shinsengumi89. Oh wow, new avatar.
Thank you everyone. I hope I make a nice layout that everyone will like.
Since the place will receive some new remodeling, please excuse the odd
templates and colors at times.
Hello everyone. I
think of myself as being a pretty open minded person. I can sometimes be very
opinionated about certain topics, but I'm sure everyone is like that from time
to time.
Quote by alexjohnc3You have no idea.
My own grandmother was a Creationist and
was pissed off that I liked to play with dinosaurs. I wasn't even aware of that
until my dad mentioned it to me sometime this year I think (and she's been dead
for a bit more than six years). I used to watch D.
James Kennedy on TV when I was little too. I don't even know how I could have realized that stuff made no
sense, I just *did* somehow and I'm happy that was the case
too.
Well, even as a young child, you realized D. James
Kennedy was full of bull. It's not hard to realize that that's all he's got to
offer.
Quote by alexjohnc3Let's not bash
individuals. I don't really mind kingray myself. He's kind of funny
IMHO.
Not like I said anything too harsh and he can bash me
if he wants, I don't mind. Well, he is a funny character and I have fun debating
him.
we don't think kinggray is bad we just take issue with his opinions, some of
them being predjudice and a not so well thought out. we don't have a problem
with him.
Ok, im new on here and every thing so im not sure what im supossed to do , but i
do want to say that Kingray is a friend of mine and that he is not that bad.
Sure, he likes to spread the word about christianity alot and he has some harsh
opinions, but its just because he is opinionated. I have only talked to him for
a few days but he is a good person and he is just doing what is right in his
eyes. And if we start bashin on believers, wouldnt that make us just like some
of the believers who bash on us? I myself dont mind other religions, I have
friends from other religions. I just judge people by the good that i know that
they have in them. How bout yall?
I brind the Good News(no not the bible), after a long search for someone who was
willing too do a layout for this group i found my friend yothsothgoth, she's
going to be doing a layout for us, so i would appricate it if you thanked
her.
Quote by littlejonny100I feel the
evils of christianity are much more prevalent in America than here in Australia,
also (as far as I know) there hasn't been any nonsense about trying to teach
intelligent design here.
You have no idea. My own grandmother was a Creationist and was
pissed off that I liked to play with dinosaurs. I wasn't even aware of that
until my dad mentioned it to me sometime this year I think (and she's been dead
for a bit more than six years). I used to watch D.
James Kennedy on TV when I was little too. I don't even know how I could have realized that stuff made no
sense, I just *did* somehow and I'm happy that was the case too.
It's sounds so weird to associate people that are atheist as them being with no
morals. As practically an atheist from start, my moral grounds always stood from
what I went through, not what someone or something tells me. I have a weird way
to think of things but it's how I work and it's a lot better than how people
have to "teach" you things to get it cause you don't really actually
get it. Thinking on your own sometimes is better than being taught of something.
xP *falls asleep*
Quote:
Since I left school his influence over my picture of christianity has softened
and it's people such as Kingray100 who have completely destroyed my respect for
the religion. There are preachers who think they're the gift of god who make
claims that even my old priest would admit were ridiculous. How can one religion
have two people in the same area preaching such different things? No racism
intended, but I feel the evils of christianity are much more prevalent in
America than here in Australia, also (as far as I know) there hasn't been any
nonsense about trying to teach intelligent design
here.
Don't worry your absolutly right, the US has many more evangelists then
Australia, it all really started during the Regan Era...but thats another
story.
Luckily i live in New Jersey and even though there are many Christians, the
government in NJ is fairly progressive.
All together though the south west states, south east states and the breadbasket
states have a strong evangelist bent like Kansas.
People in my country forget that even though this is a nation made up of
Christians it is not a Christian Nation.
Sorry, haven't seen 'Inherit The Wind' so can't comment there. I have a very
religious friend at work, every now and then we'll talk about our beliefs to
each other and discuss the controversies, we respect each others views and have
never had a fight over them. I'm open-minded, he's
open-minded.....simple?
Quote by DarkRoseofHellAnd
littlejonny100, moderator's opinion matter, just if they abuse their standpoint
then their opinion doesn't matter. xP Oh yeah, I don't think anyone has said it
yet...
Thanks for the 'official' welcome
and I'll add that I have no intention of using any moderator powers to my
advantage, I'm a good boy. I just found it highly ironic that after joining a
thread asking atheists a question he made his own thread asking christians a
question, then became huffy when the first post said 'tool'.
Since it was asked the following is a rant about how my religious views changed,
I wont be offended if you don't bother reading it. I spent 8 years at a high
standards christian school. None of the teachers were heavily religious (and
there was never a whisper of Intelligent Design) however we had church (in a
cathedral ) every week. Our priest, who held chapel every week, was also the
religious teacher at our school. I wasn't very god orientated however I had
great respect for the christian beliefs and morals because of the way he
preached. It was never direct, he never tried to turn people, he never said
believe in god or go to hell and most importantly he didn't make up an answer to
everything. He openly admitted the bible was a moral code and it wasn't to be
taken 100% literally (as many morons choose to do). He was open minded to all
suggestions and knew as much about other religions as he did his own, he was
also an extremely merited philosopher. Until I left school he was (in my mind)
an idol of christianty, he's also since been made a Canon of the
church.
Since I left school his influence over my picture of christianity has softened
and it's people such as Kingray100 who have completely destroyed my respect for
the religion. There are preachers who think they're the gift of god who make
claims that even my old priest would admit were ridiculous. How can one religion
have two people in the same area preaching such different things? No racism
intended, but I feel the evils of christianity are much more prevalent in
America than here in Australia, also (as far as I know) there hasn't been any
nonsense about trying to teach intelligent design here.
Quote by Shinsengumi89Has anyone
here watched the movie "Inherit the Wind"?
I read
the play AND watched the movie. In English class we went over the
Creation-Evolution controversy. After reading The Origin of Species and Genesis,
we discussed the conflict in both texts. I, arguing for OS, stated that I
believed that Genesis was a load of fairy tale on the basis of lack of evidence
and that Evolution was the truth. Other students challenged Evolution asking for
evidence of it's feasibility and I told them that evidence supporting Evolution
was the skeletal record, the DNA evidence, the observed and documented natural
phenomena of Natural Selection and they had no idea what I was talking about.
These were the kind of people who seemed more concerned with a party at a
friend's house than their own intellectual self-enrichment. They seemed like the
kind of people who would watch RTV (Reality Television) before The History
Channel. I'm sorry, did I say RTV? I meant MTV.
Quote by DarkRoseofHellSort of,
just depending on the person. I have religious friends and I don't see them as
annoying as kingray is...
Kingray is quite arrogant. He's
really annoying and gives Christians a bad name.
Quote: PS i have changed my
philosophies on religon a great deal over the past year, i think i've become a
little more mellow, and a little less assaultive, has anyone else changed their
Atheistic philosophies on religon?
I fully acknowledge that
religion is capable of doing good just as much as it is capable of doing bad. I
myself am quite spiritual but not before being rational and not to the point of
being superstitious.
The fact is that they're so alike that many people don't want to admit that
they're so similar.
Quote: PS i have changed my
philosophies on religon a great deal over the past year, i think i've become a
little more mellow, and a little less assaultive, has anyone else changed their
Atheistic philosophies on religon?
Sort of, just depending on the person. I have religious friends and I don't see
them as annoying as kingray is...
And littlejonny100, moderator's opinion matter, just if they abuse their
standpoint then their opinion doesn't matter. xP Oh yeah, I don't think anyone
has said it yet...
Welcome to the group (at
least in those terms yet)
Quote by littlejonny100I think a
funny point with atheism is it sounds a little like anarchism. Maybe it's just
me but when I was a lot younger (maybe 10) I use to think the lawless anarchists
were similar to the godless atheists, that of course was before I had an
understanding of what each truly was. I did have a bible in my room for a long
time but it's since moved to somewhere else in the house (still have no idea who
moved it where).
I've never really associated atheism with
anarchism, but that's probably because I don't even remember hearing the word
atheist until maybe a year or two at the most before I
"deconverted."
Quote by littlejonny100What
interests me more is how many preaching religious people have actually read it
themselves....
I would think most of them are at least aware
of what their saying, though obviously not the logical implications of
assertions like "God loves you, so accept him as your savior or else you'll
be damned to Hell for all eternity!" Doublethink is more powerful than
you'd realize, especially since you'll often see Christians criticizing Islam's
absurd claims when their religion is pretty similar and in some ways even more
absurd.
Here's a good quote from Annie Dillard that has some relevance:
"Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?'
Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.'
Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'"
Quote by littlejonny100Being civil
with someone who sprouts crap such as "clinicly dead is the same thing as
being dead,its just that theres a chance of survival with fast manuevers with
medical treatments." is the reason I avoid taking a stance on something as
controversial as religion. Someone here might have seen another moderator abused
by a member at one point for having an opinion O.o Then again if DarkRoseofHell
speaks truth I have no worries
I think a funny point with atheism is it sounds a little like anarchism. Maybe
it's just me but when I was a lot younger (maybe 10) I use to think the lawless
anarchists were similar to the godless atheists, that of course was before I had
an understanding of what each truly was. I did have a bible in my room for a
long time but it's since moved to somewhere else in the house (still have no
idea who moved it where).
What interests me more is how many preaching religious people have actually read
it themselves....
True it does, I've gotten comments that are like this one "since your an
atheist that means you don't believe in anything or have any morals right?"
I used too get angry about stuff like that but I've come too a point that theirs
no point in getting angry.
Oh as to your comment, i think thats very intriguing i think it would be very
interesting if we knew how many have actually read what they preach, i found
that when i was in Catholic school many of the students didn't actually read it,
they just listened to their Priest or parents.
Shinsen89
PS i find it highly funny that my name is Michael, it has some very strong
religious implications.
Being civil with someone who sprouts crap such as "clinicly dead is the
same thing as being dead,its just that theres a chance of survival with fast
manuevers with medical treatments." is the reason I avoid taking a stance
on something as controversial as religion. Someone here might have seen another
moderator abused by a member at one point for having an opinion O.o Then again
if DarkRoseofHell speaks truth I have no worries
I think a funny point with atheism is it sounds a little like anarchism. Maybe
it's just me but when I was a lot younger (maybe 10) I use to think the lawless
anarchists were similar to the godless atheists, that of course was before I had
an understanding of what each truly was. I did have a bible in my room for a
long time but it's since moved to somewhere else in the house (still have no
idea who moved it where).
What interests me more is how many preaching religious people have actually read
it themselves....
Quote by littlejonny100I
considered joining this group a while ago but decided not to in case someone
thought a blasphemous moderator was a terrible terrible thing, I've since
realised I don't really care. Seeing as alexjohnc3 invited me I'll join
up.
You shouldn't feel as through you can't participate in
the community just because you're a moderator. I'm a global moderator on another
forum, albeit smaller than Minitokyo, but that doesn't mean I should stop from
participating in that community. The only difference between a moderator and a
"normal" member is that the moderator also has the job of keeping this
in order, pretty much.
Quote by Shinsengumi89I wonder how
many atheists in this group have a bible, i do, but i wonder if thats just a
fluke, does anyone else in here have a bible?
I think I own
maybe two bibles myself, and in total my immediate family owns maybe eight or
nine (no idea why), including a really old one from the Netherlands I think.
Quote by littlejonny100I
considered joining this group a while ago but decided not to in case someone
thought a blasphemous moderator was a terrible terrible thing, I've since
realised I don't really care. Seeing as alexjohnc3 invited me I'll join
up.
To SunSpots, the fact you cut your hand while trying to stab the bible is
obvious proof god exists and was punishing you for your attempted sin. However
as scientifically minded people it is our duty to test this theory by again
stabbing numerous bibles in multiple controlled environments with various sharp
objects. If divine retribution occurs more than the laws of physics, god must
exist!
Wow it's an honor to have moderator in our group, thanks for joining us.
I wonder how many atheists in this group have a bible, i do, but i wonder if
thats just a fluke, does anyone else in here have a bible?
Kinggray is giving me a headace i haven't debatted him much but i am starting to
become preturbed so i gave him the link to the Christian fellowship page hoping
he would post more often there and not in the forums.
On an off note, a new time magazine poll says that 59% of United States citzens
would be discouraged to vote for a canidate if that person was an Atheist.
Shinsen89
PS i have changed my philosophies on religon a great deal over the past year, i
think i've become a little more mellow, and a little less assaultive, has anyone
else changed their Atheistic philosophies on religon?
Ha, do you think I would spend money on that thing? The little I did read of the
Bible, I read for free online. If anyone is interested, I found it at http://www.ebible.org/web/
Quote by littlejonny100I
considered joining this group a while ago but decided not to in case someone
thought a blasphemous moderator was a terrible terrible thing, I've since
realised I don't really care. Seeing as alexjohnc3 invited me I'll join
up.
To SunSpots, the fact you cut your hand while trying to stab the bible is
obvious proof god exists and was punishing you for your attempted sin. However
as scientifically minded people it is our duty to test this theory by again
stabbing numerous bibles in multiple controlled environments with various sharp
objects. If divine retribution occurs more than the laws of physics, god must
exist!
Wow it's an honor to have moderator in our group, thanks for joining us.
I wonder how many atheists in this group have a bible, i do, but i wonder if
thats just a fluke, does anyone else in here have a bible?
Kinggray is giving me a headace i haven't debatted him much but i am starting to
become preturbed so i gave him the link to the Christian fellowship page hoping
he would post more often there and not in the forums.
On an off note, a new time magazine poll says that 59% of United States citzens
would be discouraged to vote for a canidate if that person was an Atheist.
Shinsen89
PS i have changed my philosophies on religon a great deal over the past year, i
think i've become a little more mellow, and a little less assaultive, has anyone
else changed their Atheistic philosophies on religon?
Thank you Shinsengumi89. Oh wow, new avatar.
Thank you everyone. I hope I make a nice layout that everyone will like.
Since the place will receive some new remodeling, please excuse the odd templates and colors at times.
Hello everyone.
I
think of myself as being a pretty open minded person. I can sometimes be very
opinionated about certain topics, but I'm sure everyone is like that from time
to time.
Yes! Science Bless you Yothsothgoth!
Well, even as a young child, you realized D. James Kennedy was full of bull. It's not hard to realize that that's all he's got to offer.
Not like I said anything too harsh and he can bash me if he wants, I don't mind. Well, he is a funny character and I have fun debating him.
Anyways, thanks yothsothgoth. Science bless you, LOL!
we don't think kinggray is bad we just take issue with his opinions, some of them being predjudice and a not so well thought out. we don't have a problem with him.
Ok, im new on here and every thing so im not sure what im supossed to do , but i do want to say that Kingray is a friend of mine and that he is not that bad. Sure, he likes to spread the word about christianity alot and he has some harsh opinions, but its just because he is opinionated. I have only talked to him for a few days but he is a good person and he is just doing what is right in his eyes. And if we start bashin on believers, wouldnt that make us just like some of the believers who bash on us? I myself dont mind other religions, I have friends from other religions. I just judge people by the good that i know that they have in them. How bout yall?
Thanks, this group has been needing one, looks very dull since it started affiliating with other colourful groups.
I brind the Good News(no not the bible), after a long search for someone who was willing too do a layout for this group i found my friend yothsothgoth, she's going to be doing a layout for us, so i would appricate it if you thanked her.
Shinsengumi89
You have no idea. My own grandmother was a Creationist and was pissed off that I liked to play with dinosaurs. I wasn't even aware of that until my dad mentioned it to me sometime this year I think (and she's been dead for a bit more than six years). I used to watch D. James Kennedy on TV when I was little too. I don't even know how I could have realized that stuff made no sense, I just *did* somehow and I'm happy that was the case too.
merged: 07-18-2007 ~ 12:48am
Let's not bash individuals. I don't really mind kingray myself. He's kind of funny IMHO.
It's sounds so weird to associate people that are atheist as them being with no morals. As practically an atheist from start, my moral grounds always stood from what I went through, not what someone or something tells me. I have a weird way to think of things but it's how I work and it's a lot better than how people have to "teach" you things to get it cause you don't really actually get it. Thinking on your own sometimes is better than being taught of something. xP *falls asleep*
Don't worry your absolutly right, the US has many more evangelists then Australia, it all really started during the Regan Era...but thats another story.
Luckily i live in New Jersey and even though there are many Christians, the government in NJ is fairly progressive.
All together though the south west states, south east states and the breadbasket states have a strong evangelist bent like Kansas.
People in my country forget that even though this is a nation made up of Christians it is not a Christian Nation.
Sorry, haven't seen 'Inherit The Wind' so can't comment there. I have a very religious friend at work, every now and then we'll talk about our beliefs to each other and discuss the controversies, we respect each others views and have never had a fight over them. I'm open-minded, he's open-minded.....simple?
Thanks for the 'official' welcome
and I'll add that I have no intention of using any moderator powers to my
advantage, I'm a good boy. I just found it highly ironic that after joining a
thread asking atheists a question he made his own thread asking christians a
question, then became huffy when the first post said 'tool'.
Since it was asked the following is a rant about how my religious views changed, I wont be offended if you don't bother reading it. I spent 8 years at a high standards christian school. None of the teachers were heavily religious (and there was never a whisper of Intelligent Design) however we had church (in a cathedral
) every week. Our priest, who held chapel every week, was also the
religious teacher at our school. I wasn't very god orientated however I had
great respect for the christian beliefs and morals because of the way he
preached. It was never direct, he never tried to turn people, he never said
believe in god or go to hell and most importantly he didn't make up an answer to
everything. He openly admitted the bible was a moral code and it wasn't to be
taken 100% literally (as many morons choose to do). He was open minded to all
suggestions and knew as much about other religions as he did his own, he was
also an extremely merited philosopher. Until I left school he was (in my mind)
an idol of christianty, he's also since been made a Canon of the
church.
Since I left school his influence over my picture of christianity has softened and it's people such as Kingray100 who have completely destroyed my respect for the religion. There are preachers who think they're the gift of god who make claims that even my old priest would admit were ridiculous. How can one religion have two people in the same area preaching such different things? No racism intended, but I feel the evils of christianity are much more prevalent in America than here in Australia, also (as far as I know) there hasn't been any nonsense about trying to teach intelligent design here.
I read the play AND watched the movie. In English class we went over the Creation-Evolution controversy. After reading The Origin of Species and Genesis, we discussed the conflict in both texts. I, arguing for OS, stated that I believed that Genesis was a load of fairy tale on the basis of lack of evidence and that Evolution was the truth. Other students challenged Evolution asking for evidence of it's feasibility and I told them that evidence supporting Evolution was the skeletal record, the DNA evidence, the observed and documented natural phenomena of Natural Selection and they had no idea what I was talking about. These were the kind of people who seemed more concerned with a party at a friend's house than their own intellectual self-enrichment. They seemed like the kind of people who would watch RTV (Reality Television) before The History Channel. I'm sorry, did I say RTV? I meant MTV.
Kingray is quite arrogant. He's really annoying and gives Christians a bad name.
I fully acknowledge that religion is capable of doing good just as much as it is capable of doing bad. I myself am quite spiritual but not before being rational and not to the point of being superstitious.
Has anyone here watched the movie "Inherit the Wind"?
The fact is that they're so alike that many people don't want to admit that they're so similar.
Sort of, just depending on the person. I have religious friends and I don't see them as annoying as kingray is...
And littlejonny100, moderator's opinion matter, just if they abuse their standpoint then their opinion doesn't matter. xP Oh yeah, I don't think anyone has said it yet...
Welcome to the group
(at
least in those terms yet)
I can already hear Hells Bells \,,/! LOL!
Judaisim, Christianity, Islam. There all so alike, more so then i think there followers would like to admit.
I've never really associated atheism with anarchism, but that's probably because I don't even remember hearing the word atheist until maybe a year or two at the most before I "deconverted."
I would think most of them are at least aware of what their saying, though obviously not the logical implications of assertions like "God loves you, so accept him as your savior or else you'll be damned to Hell for all eternity!" Doublethink is more powerful than you'd realize, especially since you'll often see Christians criticizing Islam's absurd claims when their religion is pretty similar and in some ways even more absurd.
Here's a good quote from Annie Dillard that has some relevance:
"Eskimo: 'If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?'
Priest: 'No, not if you did not know.'
Eskimo: 'Then why did you tell me?'"
True it does, I've gotten comments that are like this one "since your an atheist that means you don't believe in anything or have any morals right?" I used too get angry about stuff like that but I've come too a point that theirs no point in getting angry.
Oh as to your comment, i think thats very intriguing i think it would be very interesting if we knew how many have actually read what they preach, i found that when i was in Catholic school many of the students didn't actually read it, they just listened to their Priest or parents.
Shinsen89
PS i find it highly funny that my name is Michael, it has some very strong religious implications.
Being civil with someone who sprouts crap such as "clinicly dead is the same thing as being dead,its just that theres a chance of survival with fast manuevers with medical treatments." is the reason I avoid taking a stance on something as controversial as religion. Someone here might have seen another moderator abused by a member at one point for having an opinion O.o Then again if DarkRoseofHell speaks truth I have no worries
I think a funny point with atheism is it sounds a little like anarchism. Maybe it's just me but when I was a lot younger (maybe 10) I use to think the lawless anarchists were similar to the godless atheists, that of course was before I had an understanding of what each truly was. I did have a bible in my room for a long time but it's since moved to somewhere else in the house (still have no idea who moved it where).
What interests me more is how many preaching religious people have actually read it themselves....
You shouldn't feel as through you can't participate in the community just because you're a moderator. I'm a global moderator on another forum, albeit smaller than Minitokyo, but that doesn't mean I should stop from participating in that community. The only difference between a moderator and a "normal" member is that the moderator also has the job of keeping this in order, pretty much.
I think I own maybe two bibles myself, and in total my immediate family owns maybe eight or nine (no idea why), including a really old one from the Netherlands I think.
I didn't buy it, it was a gift when i left Catholic school(long story)
Ha, do you think I would spend money on that thing? The little I did read of the Bible, I read for free online. If anyone is interested, I found it at http://www.ebible.org/web/
Wow it's an honor to have moderator in our group, thanks for joining us.
I wonder how many atheists in this group have a bible, i do, but i wonder if thats just a fluke, does anyone else in here have a bible?
Kinggray is giving me a headace i haven't debatted him much but i am starting to become preturbed so i gave him the link to the Christian fellowship page hoping he would post more often there and not in the forums.
On an off note, a new time magazine poll says that 59% of United States citzens would be discouraged to vote for a canidate if that person was an Atheist.
Shinsen89
PS i have changed my philosophies on religon a great deal over the past year, i think i've become a little more mellow, and a little less assaultive, has anyone else changed their Atheistic philosophies on religon?
*cough* moderator's opinions don't count *cough*
Nah, just kidding. Beware, I'm scary and bored... or not... O.o? I just confused my self...
Give me that iPhone... I just want to the UI of it. xP