Quote by yothsothgothI apologize for
my absence. I'm glad to be back. ^^ I've got a lot to say.
Quote by ProgramZEROWell, I'm not
sure he was an Atheist but he himself was quite secular. It was tragic enough
that he died and even more tragic that it was friendly fire that led to his
death and that the army, according to some, interfered with the investigation
and tried covering up the incident to protect it's image.
That whole thing is very sad. It makes me wonder about how many other soldiers
(if any and I'm sure there are more... just what I think) that the army has
covered up their deaths by friendly fire to protect their image.
Well, I wouldn't put it below them to do
as such. They're used to sending soldiers to their death so it wouldn't surprise
me if they did in fact try covering this up.
Quote: Also, changing topics back
to the dark matter and black holes... I saw something the other day (Science
Channel) about how black holes make galaxies.
Makes me wish I
still had the Science Channel. Fortunately, the History Channel has that new
show called The Universe which is really cool...
Quote: Evidently scientists have found a positive
correlation between the size of the black holes in the middle of a galaxy and
the actual size of the diameter of the galaxy. A black hole in the middle of a
galaxy is about .05% the size of its galaxy's
diameter.
1/2000th?
Quote: This led them to theorize
that black holes make the galaxy's that they reside in. Some black holes are
still 'active' and others are 'dormant'. They wanted to know why some black
holes were dormant if they still created the rotation of the galaxy (making
their theory more plausible). Scientists now believe that when black holes
'create' galaxies (not including all of the dust and mass and elements that went
into creating the black hole itself) by their gravitational pull. They begin to
spin and suck in the debris that is closest to them. The more mass they
accumulate (this is still theory), the faster they spin. This would mean that
younger galaxies spin faster.
? I would think that older
galaxies would spin faster since the black holes inside them would have more
time to collect mass.
Quote: Anyways, the faster the
black holes spin create a tremendous heat. This heat is caused my the friction
of the particles that are being sucked in which creates massive explosions and
the creation of new stars. After so many explosions and concussions moving some
of the farther away material from the black hole's graviational pull, the black
hole begins to run out of fuel (since nothing is close enough for it to suck
in). This makes the black hole slow down and eventually become 'dormant' in the
center of the galaxy.
So these explosions cause matter to
blast out at speeds greater than the speed of light? Since black holes
themselves are able to suck in light. You know...
Quote: I wonder if this theory
would mean that black holes make the dark matter too... or do you think it would
come afterwards from some other cosmic event?
Dang. I'm still
not too knowledged about dark matter. Going to have to look that one up
later.
Quote: I thought the whole show was
pretty sweet.
I'm jealous!
Quote:
Perhaps its a little too nerdy for some, but I realy enjoyed the
theories. They all seemed pretty good arguments. I'm also surprised that I
retain that much information from the show. Oh btw,
they also said the one in the middle of the Milky Way... they think has begun to
spin again. Kinda scary...
It shall spin and spin and spin and we will all umm... nevermind, I didn't say
anything...
Interesting theory, I BECAME A NERD... AHHHHHHH oh wait... I already was one...?
I think... *confused* *falls asleep* Dark Matter is the waste of black holes!
(just me rambling on about stuff while asleep)
Well,
I'm not sure he was an Atheist but he himself was quite secular. It was tragic
enough that he died and even more tragic that it was friendly fire that led to
his death and that the army, according to some, interfered with the
investigation and tried covering up the incident to protect it's
image.
That whole thing is very sad. It makes me wonder about how many other soldiers
(if any and I'm sure there are more... just what I think) that the army has
covered up their deaths by friendly fire to protect their image.
Also, changing topics back to the dark matter and black holes... I saw something
the other day (Science Channel) about how black holes make galaxies. Evidently
scientists have found a positive correlation between the size of the black holes
in the middle of a galaxy and the actual size of the diameter of the galaxy. A
black hole in the middle of a galaxy is about .05% the size of its galaxy's
diameter.
This led them to theorize that black holes make the galaxy's that they reside
in. Some black holes are still 'active' and others are 'dormant'. They wanted to
know why some black holes were dormant if they still created the rotation of the
galaxy (making their theory more plausible). Scientists now believe that when
black holes 'create' galaxies (not including all of the dust and mass and
elements that went into creating the black hole itself) by their gravitational
pull. They begin to spin and suck in the debris that is closest to them. The
more mass they accumulate (this is still theory), the faster they spin. This
would mean that younger galaxies spin faster.
Anyways, the faster the black holes spin create a tremendous heat. This heat is
caused my the friction of the particles that are being sucked in which creates
massive explosions and the creation of new stars. After so many explosions and
concussions moving some of the farther away material from the black hole's
graviational pull, the black hole begins to run out of fuel (since nothing is
close enough for it to suck in). This makes the black hole slow down and
eventually become 'dormant' in the center of the galaxy.
I wonder if this theory would mean that black holes make the dark matter too...
or do you think it would come afterwards from some other cosmic event?
I thought the whole show was pretty sweet.
Perhaps its a little too nerdy for some, but I realy enjoyed the theories. They
all seemed pretty good arguments. I'm also surprised that I retain that much
information from the show. Oh btw,
they also said the one in the middle of the Milky Way... they think has begun to
spin again. Kinda scary...
Quote by DarkRoseofHellI'm getting
a headache from reading everything then I lose my line of thought... so I don't
even remember what I was going to write...
You don't have to
read everything... *Forgets what he was typing... leaves*
Well,
I'm not sure he was an Atheist but he himself was quite secular. It was tragic
enough that he died and even more tragic that it was friendly fire that led to
his death and that the army, according to some, interfered with the
investigation and tried covering up the incident to protect it's image.
The sole idea behind dark matter is just that, that we have observed galaxies
with far more mass than can be accounted for by the visible matter in them.
Other than that, we really don't know anything.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, that's why I added "or 'detectable'
matter". What I actually meant is that it may be matter, but it isn't
matter as we currently define it.
No, dark matter is not the absence of matter. They have recently detected a
galaxy that has far more gravity than it should. They believe that dark matter
is the undetectable mass within that galaxy. There is a theory that the matter
wasnt ionized and absorbed 32 centimeter photons. I dont remember how the theory
worked but the point is dark matter is not the absence of matter.
Dark matter is still under heavy investigation but my understanding was that it
didn't actually have anything to do with darkness itself, that is there is
plenty of dark matter in areas of light, the only difference is it passes
straight through. i.e. Dark matter is just the theoretical name for the absence
of matter (or 'detectable' matter).
That's my take on it but I make absolutely no claim on any truth to that .
I would agree that cold is the absence of heat and dark is the absence of light,
however good, bad, moral, immoral etc are all human concepts. They are based
entirely upon opinion and have no measurable ability so it's really a very
stupid thing to say. You can't place something of nature next to a
pronoun.
The christian person also states there 'evil being the absence of good'. Again
there's a neutrality in the middle separating the two. You can do something good
or you can do nothing at all.....or you can go out of your way to do something
evil. The christian is putting someone who's in a neutral position doing nothing
on the same level as someone who goes out of their way to destroy lives,
ignoring the fact the scale actually works both ways.
In conclusion not only did that jolly good christian prove the professor doesn't
have a brain, but also that he himself didn't and probably that 99% of people
don't have a brain, what a jolly clever fella he is (and what a moron to think
that justifies god).
Quote by DarkRoseofHell
Also that "take darkness in a jar" thing, I'm no expert on cosmology
and stuff like that, wouldn't dark matter, since it doesn't exactly reflect
light or whatever, wouldn't it technically be possible to literally put it in a
jar? Though the only problem really is to get it.
Considering how little we know about dark matter, you really can't say! If you
want to put it in a jar, it would probably have to be condensed somehow...and
for all I know, it might not even be dark matter anymore at that stage (unless
it already is condensed, which is unlikely). Of course, this is all assuming it
doesn't consist of antiparticles, which would make it difficult to deal with at
all...though with CP violation and all, we probably don' have to worry about
that.
Also, interesting that Pat Tillman was an atheist, considering the stereotype
that football players are religious...
Got some weird things... O.o I read alex's favorite, fun. xP
Well, I'm bored again...
My statement would really be like what alex's fav would be, and theres the
"why are you alive?"
Just want to note, evil and good, in a quantitative method, both are the
opposite no stupidity "absence". You "heal" someone in terms
of surgery means, you can kill someone with a gun, now you can kill 1 million
people and keep going on and save 1 million people by surgical means, and that
number can keep going on (though no one probably can live that long to do that
many surgeries and probably no one can kill that many people without getting
killed) Unless killing doesn't mean evil and saving someone's life doesn't mean
good, I think anyone can get the point there...
Also that "take darkness in a jar" thing, I'm no expert on cosmology
and stuff like that, wouldn't dark matter, since it doesn't exactly reflect
light or whatever, wouldn't it technically be possible to literally put it in a
jar? Though the only problem really is to get it.
merged: 07-30-2007 ~ 09:46pm
Quote: Interestingly (and
amusingly) enough, this CWOW foundation website comes up as red on McAfee
SiteAdvisor.
I didn't read this *merge* xP
As red means that they're trying to give you a virus called
"I-Will-Convert-Thee-to-Christianity.exe" (I got bored).
I haven't read your favorite one yet, but I have to say that the original is
just ignorant..it must have been easy to "revise" it. Also:
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality.
Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is
there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the
absence of good?"
Also, this section is just plain wrong. Immorality is not the absence of
morality, that would be amorality. Likewise, the absence of justice is not
injustice, it's anarchi (or something of that nature).
Interestingly (and amusingly) enough, this CWOW foundation website comes up as
red
on McAfee SiteAdvisor.
Quote by BobaFett2haI have only this
vague idea that it is based on something else. Care to enlighten us,
Alex?
It's a well known urban legend about an atheist
professor who is stumped by a Christian. The original is mentioned in the first
sentence of this one: "Doug Kreuger has expanded the well-known Christian
legend of the atheist philosophy professor who is unable to prove that he has a
brain."
Well, I wouldn't put it below them to do as such. They're used to sending soldiers to their death so it wouldn't surprise me if they did in fact try covering this up.
Makes me wish I still had the Science Channel. Fortunately, the History Channel has that new show called The Universe which is really cool...
1/2000th?
? I would think that older galaxies would spin faster since the black holes inside them would have more time to collect mass.
So these explosions cause matter to blast out at speeds greater than the speed of light? Since black holes themselves are able to suck in light. You know...
Dang. I'm still not too knowledged about dark matter. Going to have to look that one up later.
I'm jealous!
I'm a nerd 'til death!
It shall spin and spin and spin and we will all umm... nevermind, I didn't say anything...
Interesting theory, I BECAME A NERD... AHHHHHHH oh wait... I already was one...? I think... *confused* *falls asleep* Dark Matter is the waste of black holes! (just me rambling on about stuff while asleep)
I apologize for my absence.
I'm glad to be back. ^^ I've got a lot to say.
That whole thing is very sad. It makes me wonder about how many other soldiers (if any and I'm sure there are more... just what I think) that the army has covered up their deaths by friendly fire to protect their image.
Also, changing topics back to the dark matter and black holes... I saw something the other day (Science Channel) about how black holes make galaxies. Evidently scientists have found a positive correlation between the size of the black holes in the middle of a galaxy and the actual size of the diameter of the galaxy. A black hole in the middle of a galaxy is about .05% the size of its galaxy's diameter.
This led them to theorize that black holes make the galaxy's that they reside in. Some black holes are still 'active' and others are 'dormant'. They wanted to know why some black holes were dormant if they still created the rotation of the galaxy (making their theory more plausible). Scientists now believe that when black holes 'create' galaxies (not including all of the dust and mass and elements that went into creating the black hole itself) by their gravitational pull. They begin to spin and suck in the debris that is closest to them. The more mass they accumulate (this is still theory), the faster they spin. This would mean that younger galaxies spin faster.
Anyways, the faster the black holes spin create a tremendous heat. This heat is caused my the friction of the particles that are being sucked in which creates massive explosions and the creation of new stars. After so many explosions and concussions moving some of the farther away material from the black hole's graviational pull, the black hole begins to run out of fuel (since nothing is close enough for it to suck in). This makes the black hole slow down and eventually become 'dormant' in the center of the galaxy.
I wonder if this theory would mean that black holes make the dark matter too... or do you think it would come afterwards from some other cosmic event?
I thought the whole show was pretty sweet.
Perhaps its a little too nerdy for some, but I realy enjoyed the theories. They
all seemed pretty good arguments. I'm also surprised that I retain that much
information from the show. 
Oh btw,
they also said the one in the middle of the Milky Way... they think has begun to
spin again. 
Kinda scary...
You don't have to read everything... *Forgets what he was typing... leaves*
I'm getting a headache from reading everything then I lose my line of thought... so I don't even remember what I was going to write...
Well, I'm not sure he was an Atheist but he himself was quite secular. It was tragic enough that he died and even more tragic that it was friendly fire that led to his death and that the army, according to some, interfered with the investigation and tried covering up the incident to protect it's image.
The sole idea behind dark matter is just that, that we have observed galaxies with far more mass than can be accounted for by the visible matter in them. Other than that, we really don't know anything.
Let's all study cosmology and we can be more accurate about it. Hehe
Wikipedia has some useful stuff, but it seems so copy and pasted... then again, they're suppose to put the source for the stuff. (Too lazy to link it)
Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, that's why I added "or 'detectable' matter". What I actually meant is that it may be matter, but it isn't matter as we currently define it.
No, dark matter is not the absence of matter. They have recently detected a galaxy that has far more gravity than it should. They believe that dark matter is the undetectable mass within that galaxy. There is a theory that the matter wasnt ionized and absorbed 32 centimeter photons. I dont remember how the theory worked but the point is dark matter is not the absence of matter.
Dark matter is still under heavy investigation but my understanding was that it didn't actually have anything to do with darkness itself, that is there is plenty of dark matter in areas of light, the only difference is it passes straight through. i.e. Dark matter is just the theoretical name for the absence of matter (or 'detectable' matter). That's my take on it but I make absolutely no claim on any truth to that
.
I would agree that cold is the absence of heat and dark is the absence of light, however good, bad, moral, immoral etc are all human concepts. They are based entirely upon opinion and have no measurable ability so it's really a very stupid thing to say. You can't place something of nature next to a pronoun.
The christian person also states there 'evil being the absence of good'. Again there's a neutrality in the middle separating the two. You can do something good or you can do nothing at all.....or you can go out of your way to do something evil. The christian is putting someone who's in a neutral position doing nothing on the same level as someone who goes out of their way to destroy lives, ignoring the fact the scale actually works both ways.
In conclusion not only did that jolly good christian prove the professor doesn't have a brain, but also that he himself didn't and probably that 99% of people don't have a brain, what a jolly clever fella he is (and what a moron to think that justifies god).
Considering how little we know about dark matter, you really can't say! If you want to put it in a jar, it would probably have to be condensed somehow...and for all I know, it might not even be dark matter anymore at that stage (unless it already is condensed, which is unlikely). Of course, this is all assuming it doesn't consist of antiparticles, which would make it difficult to deal with at all...though with CP violation and all, we probably don' have to worry about that.
Also, interesting that Pat Tillman was an atheist, considering the stereotype that football players are religious...
Got some weird things... O.o I read alex's favorite, fun. xP
Well, I'm bored again...
My statement would really be like what alex's fav would be, and theres the "why are you alive?"
Just want to note, evil and good, in a quantitative method, both are the opposite no stupidity "absence". You "heal" someone in terms of surgery means, you can kill someone with a gun, now you can kill 1 million people and keep going on and save 1 million people by surgical means, and that number can keep going on (though no one probably can live that long to do that many surgeries and probably no one can kill that many people without getting killed) Unless killing doesn't mean evil and saving someone's life doesn't mean good, I think anyone can get the point there...
Also that "take darkness in a jar" thing, I'm no expert on cosmology and stuff like that, wouldn't dark matter, since it doesn't exactly reflect light or whatever, wouldn't it technically be possible to literally put it in a jar? Though the only problem really is to get it.
merged: 07-30-2007 ~ 09:46pm
I didn't read this *merge* xP
As red means that they're trying to give you a virus called "I-Will-Convert-Thee-to-Christianity.exe" (I got bored).
This might be interesting to all of you. its about an Army Ranger named Pat Tillman who was also an Atheist, who was killed by "friendly Fire"
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/football/nfl/07/28/tillman.frendly.ap/index.html?cnn=yes
Your link doesn't work, try here: http://www.siteadvisor.com/sites/cwowfoundation.org
I only scanned my favorite version of it because it was pretty long, but it seemed to be the only logical version and it was very well written. =D
I haven't read your favorite one yet, but I have to say that the original is just ignorant..it must have been easy to "revise" it. Also:
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?"
Also, this section is just plain wrong. Immorality is not the absence of morality, that would be amorality. Likewise, the absence of justice is not injustice, it's anarchi (or something of that nature).
Interestingly (and amusingly) enough, this CWOW foundation website comes up as red on McAfee SiteAdvisor.
Sigh. I think the fact that the professor is alive is proof enough.
It's a well known urban legend about an atheist professor who is stumped by a Christian. The original is mentioned in the first sentence of this one: "Doug Kreuger has expanded the well-known Christian legend of the atheist philosophy professor who is unable to prove that he has a brain."
Here's the "original": http://www.cwowfoundation.org/Science-Christ.html
This is my favorite version: http://myweb.cableone.net/silentdave/the_atheist_professor's_brain,_redux.htm
(Which I just found when searching for the original in Google.)
I have only this vague idea that it is based on something else. Care to enlighten us, Alex?
I've seen that before. I don't like it personally, but it's better than the original at the very least.
Wee...thanks!
Real good piece of reading that is simple to read...
Nice... though there are things I can say about that (or add on) to that weird conversation. That'd be a fun teacher too. Hehe
Very insightful, thanks for the link.
I'd like to add a bit of suggested reading:
http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/brain.htm