RFID card, implant, *starts thinking of shots and how implanting probably is ten
times worse* *crawls back into room* and if something like a magnetic wave or
some sort of EMP like effect goes by, they'd like rip it out of you just to get
it and reprogram it... heh... okay, that's giving me some scary scary thoughts
if it happens...
Well, it is possible for evolution type situations to branch off in more than
one direction, but I'm no expert.
Quote by ProgramZEROThat's kind of
scary. I don't think I could have things implanted in me like that. I find this
story to be very disturbing. What if he falls and breaks it? Since removing it
would be painful, I would think a broken chip would be a pain, figuratively and
literally.
I kind of agree; I'm slightly disturbed by the idea of things being implanted in
me, especially things like an RFID chip. But I also see how convenient it
is...well, I guess I would prefer biometrics such as fingerprint or retina
scans.
However there are often different (and changing) interpretations to scientific
findings, so this might not be the last of it yet.
Yep, I read that a couple days ago. It's interesting though...we all learned in
school that H. erectus directly followed
H. habilis in the lineage; now it seems
that even those two have a common ancestor. Reminds me of the situation with
Neandertal and Cro-Magnon.
Quote by alexjohnc3
Not to nitpick, but you should have said, "if there is good reason to
suspect someone of being a terrorist." As seen from this
article, people can be suspected terrorists without good
reason.
I would also be for efficiency so that innocent
people aren't suspected of terrorism.
However there are often different (and changing) interpretations to scientific
findings, so this might not be the last of it yet.
You know,
I just realized that I don't know much about the believed human lineage. I know
more about evolution in general but not as much about human evolution. Going to
study up on that soon.
LOL! Leakey... Sorry, I'm stupid like that sometimes.
Quote by onyhowQuestion: Is it worth it to
argue some people who are fanatic to a faith with logic? Please
answer...
Do you mean, "is it worth arguing with people who fanatically follow their
faith, even in the face of logic," or do you mean, "is it worth
arguing with people who fanatically follow their faith and attempt to use logic
to back it up?"
If you mean the former, probably not. If you mean the latter, probably not also,
but if there's a decent chance they'll actually provide a good, logical argument
for their beliefs (though I sincerely doubt that) and convince you of them or
the other way around, then yes, it might be worth
it.
Pratically, I mean the former...the latter was easier to
argue with each other...the former was...you know...like some cases here...(you
know who...)
Quote by alexjohnc3When the government
is permitted to infringe on the rights of others without need for a good reason
or oversight, they will often abuse their power. Besides, some people enjoy
having their right to privacy, even though you may be willing to give up your
right to it.
Of course, it should be done only if there is
good reason for it so I agree with you. You know, if someone is suspected with
being a terrorist or a member of a terrorist group.
Not to nitpick, but you should have said, "if there is good reason to
suspect someone of being a terrorist." As seen from this
article, people can be suspected terrorists without good reason.
Quote by alexjohnc3When the government
is permitted to infringe on the rights of others without need for a good reason
or oversight, they will often abuse their power. Besides, some people enjoy
having their right to privacy, even though you may be willing to give up your
right to it.
Of course, it should be done only if there is
good reason for it so I agree with you. You know, if someone is suspected with
being a terrorist or a member of a terrorist group.
Quote by onyhowQuestion: Is it worth it to
argue some people who are fanatic to a faith with logic? Please
answer...
Whatever helps you pass the time.
Quote by BobaFett2haI got two
articles for you guys today. One has nothing to do with religion or politics,
but it is slightly pertinent to the current discussion: it's about RFID tags.
This is something that might one day become widespread due to its convenience
and, possibly, its use in government tracking. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar07/4940
Like I said..it's completely apolitical; it's from an engineer's point of
view.
That's kind of scary. I don't think I could have things implanted in me like
that. I find this story to be very disturbing. What if he falls and breaks it?
Since removing it would be painful, I would think a broken chip would be a pain,
figuratively and literally.
Quote by onyhowQuestion: Is it worth it to
argue some people who are fanatic to a faith with logic? Please
answer...
Do you mean, "is it worth arguing with people who fanatically follow their
faith, even in the face of logic," or do you mean, "is it worth
arguing with people who fanatically follow their faith and attempt to use logic
to back it up?"
If you mean the former, probably not. If you mean the latter, probably not also,
but if there's a decent chance they'll actually provide a good, logical argument
for their beliefs (though I sincerely doubt that) and convince you of them or
the other way around, then yes, it might be worth it.
Quote by DarkRoseofHellI don't
know why, but I'm getting more annoyed by Gau than kingray100... he's displaying
more sheer ignorance than that I have ever seen...
Heck...I
think both of them are bad enough...
Question: Is it worth it to argue some people who are fanatic to a faith with
logic? Please answer...
Quote by DarkRoseofHellI've heard
of RFID and it's said that hackers can easily receive all the information of an
RFID card in just one passing by of you. Scary isn't it? RFID cards... I
wouldn't bother with them I would rather just do everything by hand
too...
I think RFID is pretty cool. I haven't read too much up on it, which I should
sometime, but what you said sounds like FUD. =P
I've heard of RFID and it's said that hackers can easily receive all the
information of an RFID card in just one passing by of you. Scary isn't it? RFID
cards... I wouldn't bother with them I would rather just do everything by hand
too...
Second article... eww... I hate how people just discriminate on the fact because
they're different or don't believe in the same thing... weirdos...
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I don't know why, but I'm getting more annoyed by Gau than kingray100... he's
displaying more sheer ignorance than that I have ever seen...
Quote by BobaFett2haI got two
articles for you guys today. One has nothing to do with religion or politics,
but it is slightly pertinent to the current discussion: it's about RFID tags.
This is something that might one day become widespread due to its convenience
and, possibly, its use in government tracking. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar07/4940
Like I said..it's completely apolitical; it's from an engineer's point of
view.
I'm not going to get one, if they even enforce it. I'd rather move to another
country and scratch out a living... or move away from civilization... that's
just the way I feel about it.
Well, to put religion into this one... lol... yes, I know...
Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name
of the beast, or the number of his name."
Well, for the second article... its sad when people discriminate.
I got two articles for you guys today. One has nothing to do with religion or
politics, but it is slightly pertinent to the current discussion: it's about
RFID tags. This is something that might one day become widespread due to its
convenience and, possibly, its use in government tracking. http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar07/4940
Like I said..it's completely apolitical; it's from an engineer's point of
view.
Quote by ProgramZEROOf course, they
are both important but I myself wouldn't mind a government agent tapping into my
phone since I've nothing to hide. It's all for the sake of law
enforcement.
When the government is permitted to infringe on the rights of others without
need for a good reason or oversight, they will often abuse their power. Besides,
some people enjoy having their right to privacy, even though you may be willing
to give up your right to it.
Quote by ProgramZERO
If this is all for the sake of law enforcement then I am not against it. I don't
care much for the measures used to enforce laws, I'm more worried about what
those laws are.
You obviously don't know how easy it is for the government to screw up when
they're given the right to infringe on the rights of others, especially when the
process isn't transparent.
The measures used to enforce the laws are probably of even more overall
importance than the laws themselves.
Of course, they are both
important but I myself wouldn't mind a government agent tapping into my phone
since I've nothing to hide. It's all for the sake of law enforcement.
Quote: Freedom is not in anyway a
privilege. Freedoms can only be taken away when absolutely necessary so as to
ensure the freedoms of others. For example, when someone is imprisoned it is to
insure that they don't violate the rights of others, not because they lost a
privilege.
It's like that weird way of the only way to achieve peace is to make war (the
hypocritical parts... heh...)
Quote: I saw weirder just
yesterday. It moved from math to adjectives to brown shoes to bowling to shoes
again and finally to throwing shoes at people.
Oh wow... my english class (last year) did something like that. Went from
talking about our books, to animals, to hats, then suddenly back to animals,
then to religious things (forgot why) then it went back to the book. >.>
It was weird. It lasted about an hour (yay waste of time) and some of us were
just sitting there laughing while others just fell asleep and stuff...
Quote by littlejonny100Although
tracking and big brotherism is all very good in theory (I agree with the
theory), it's just not practicable. In any country there is a huge area to
monitor, a huge number of people to force onto the system and a comparatively
large number of people who need to be trusted with the huge responsibility of
watching someones life. Worse than that, most first worlders have the conception
that everyone has a right to freedom and they would not allow any 'democratic'
government to put such policies in place.
Yes, everyone does have the right to
freedom and the only way everyone will, de
facto have all their de jure
rights is if we keep making progress.
Quote by littlejonny100Although
everyone 'should' have a right to freedom, the world isn't that nice a place,
like many people in it. I've always felt freedom is a privilege and if people
are going to violate their responsibilities they should lose their privileges
(which is true in criminal law).
Freedom is not in anyway a privilege. Freedoms can only be taken away when
absolutely necessary so as to ensure the freedoms of others. For example, when
someone is imprisoned it is to insure that they don't violate the rights of
others, not because they lost a privilege.
Quote by littlejonny100I also find
it funny how the conversation moved from god to astronomy to
politics.
I saw weirder just yesterday. It moved from math to adjectives to brown shoes to
bowling to shoes again and finally to throwing shoes at people.
Although tracking and big brotherism is all very good in theory (I agree with
the theory), it's just not practicable. In any country there is a huge area to
monitor, a huge number of people to force onto the system and a comparatively
large number of people who need to be trusted with the huge responsibility of
watching someones life. Worse than that, most first worlders have the conception
that everyone has a right to freedom and they would not allow any 'democratic'
government to put such policies in place.
Although everyone 'should' have a right to freedom, the world isn't that nice a
place, like many people in it. I've always felt freedom is a privilege and if
people are going to violate their responsibilities they should lose their
privileges (which is true in criminal law).
I also find it funny how the conversation moved from god to astronomy to
politics.
Quote by yothsothgothSometimes, I
think next we'll have to get barcodes, tracking devices, and have to give the
government bloodsamples. I
know it sounds paranoid, but I've seen bills and other things that make me
believe that those aren't too far off.
If this is all for the sake of law enforcement then I am not against it. I don't
care much for the measures used to enforce laws, I'm more worried about what
those laws are.
You obviously don't know how easy it is for the government to screw up when
they're given the right to infringe on the rights of others, especially when the
process isn't transparent.
The measures used to enforce the laws are probably of even more overall
importance than the laws themselves.
Quote by yothsothgothSometimes, I
think next we'll have to get barcodes, tracking devices, and have to give the
government bloodsamples. I
know it sounds paranoid, but I've seen bills and other things that make me
believe that those aren't too far off.
If this is all for the
sake of law enforcement then I am not against it. I don't care much for the
measures used to enforce laws, I'm more worried about what those laws are.
yothsothgoth, unlike in the past, imagine what a government as powerful as the
United States becoming (even more) corrupt could cause. I don't see how the
government could ever be stopped from taking away people's liberties if it
becomes too corrupt in the modern world. It's already obvious that the U.S.
government is pretty screwed up with things like the Patriot
Act (That's an old article, by the way. The Patriot Act has been made
permanent since then.).
Geez, well you're not paranoid (I think) but I find the US is more paranoid.
Hehe...
I don't really care that much about the Illegal Immigrants that much, but I do
think they should really complain to their government instead of going to
us.
Plus, there's not a lot of points to tracking... aside from you really do no
longer have any privacy, it's like someone wants to talk to you in person and on
the phone or email you saying something like "I need to talk to you about
something can you meet me at ________" It's like... the NSA or whomever
find's it suspicious and then when you meet with the person, you can find like
police force around and the all the person wants to say is something like
"I love you"... (This is a weird thought, but the US is paranoid
enough) Though if something like that does happen... *cough* mass debate
*cough*
I do believe that some credit cards have chips inside that has the capability of
being a tracker (though they're used for that paying faster thing like you can
see from the annoying commercials of VISA and such)
Sometimes, I think next we'll have to get barcodes, tracking devices, and have
to give the government bloodsamples. I
know it sounds paranoid, but I've seen bills and other things that make me
believe that those aren't too far off.
The barcodes and tracking devices I remember seeing as the new social security
card that they wanted everyone to get. It would track the people around the
country, since they want to perhaps even use them as credit cards too. Also, the
blood samples... has anyone heard about them wanting to inforce a required AIDS
test for anyone who wants to work here in America? The more I think about the
new bills and the US government and what they keep making into laws, it just
keeps reminding me more and more of George Orwell's Big Brother from 1984.
Here's a comic from my favorite webcomic, XKCD: http://xkcd.com/258/
It feels like I've posted this here before. o.o
RFID card, implant, *starts thinking of shots and how implanting probably is ten times worse* *crawls back into room* and if something like a magnetic wave or some sort of EMP like effect goes by, they'd like rip it out of you just to get it and reprogram it... heh... okay, that's giving me some scary scary thoughts if it happens...
Well, it is possible for evolution type situations to branch off in more than one direction, but I'm no expert.
I kind of agree; I'm slightly disturbed by the idea of things being implanted in me, especially things like an RFID chip. But I also see how convenient it is...well, I guess I would prefer biometrics such as fingerprint or retina scans.
Yep, I read that a couple days ago. It's interesting though...we all learned in school that H. erectus directly followed H. habilis in the lineage; now it seems that even those two have a common ancestor. Reminds me of the situation with Neandertal and Cro-Magnon.
I would also be for efficiency so that innocent people aren't suspected of terrorism.
You know, I just realized that I don't know much about the believed human lineage. I know more about evolution in general but not as much about human evolution. Going to study up on that soon.
LOL! Leakey... Sorry, I'm stupid like that sometimes.
Some news that might be interesting to some you - Humans' earliest ape-like ancestor kicked off family tree: http://www.latimes.com/news/la-sci-skull9aug09,0,261948.story?coll=la-home-center
different source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/09/science/09fossil.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin
However there are often different (and changing) interpretations to scientific findings, so this might not be the last of it yet.
Pratically, I mean the former...the latter was easier to argue with each other...the former was...you know...like some cases here...(you know who...)
Not to nitpick, but you should have said, "if there is good reason to suspect someone of being a terrorist." As seen from this article, people can be suspected terrorists without good reason.
Thanks for quoting that, I almost forgot to read that article when BobaFett2ha posted it originally. =P
Of course, it should be done only if there is good reason for it so I agree with you. You know, if someone is suspected with being a terrorist or a member of a terrorist group.
Whatever helps you pass the time.
That's kind of scary. I don't think I could have things implanted in me like that. I find this story to be very disturbing. What if he falls and breaks it? Since removing it would be painful, I would think a broken chip would be a pain, figuratively and literally.
I'm gonna follow this story up. I'm interested.
Do you mean, "is it worth arguing with people who fanatically follow their faith, even in the face of logic," or do you mean, "is it worth arguing with people who fanatically follow their faith and attempt to use logic to back it up?"
If you mean the former, probably not. If you mean the latter, probably not also, but if there's a decent chance they'll actually provide a good, logical argument for their beliefs (though I sincerely doubt that) and convince you of them or the other way around, then yes, it might be worth it.
Heck...I think both of them are bad enough...
Question: Is it worth it to argue some people who are fanatic to a faith with logic? Please answer...
I think RFID is pretty cool. I haven't read too much up on it, which I should sometime, but what you said sounds like FUD. =P
I've heard of RFID and it's said that hackers can easily receive all the information of an RFID card in just one passing by of you. Scary isn't it? RFID cards... I wouldn't bother with them I would rather just do everything by hand too...
Second article... eww... I hate how people just discriminate on the fact because they're different or don't believe in the same thing... weirdos...
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I don't know why, but I'm getting more annoyed by Gau than kingray100... he's displaying more sheer ignorance than that I have ever seen...
I'm not going to get one, if they even enforce it. I'd rather move to another country and scratch out a living... or move away from civilization... that's just the way I feel about it.
Well, to put religion into this one... lol... yes, I know...
Revelation 13:17
"And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."
Well, for the second article... its sad when people discriminate.
I got two articles for you guys today. One has nothing to do with religion or politics, but it is slightly pertinent to the current discussion: it's about RFID tags. This is something that might one day become widespread due to its convenience and, possibly, its use in government tracking.
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/mar07/4940
Like I said..it's completely apolitical; it's from an engineer's point of view.
The other is something I just found on the front page of digg: more atheist soldiers being mistreated in Iraq.
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2007/08/atheist_mistreatment_in_iraq.php?utm_source=mostemailed&utm_medium=link
When the government is permitted to infringe on the rights of others without need for a good reason or oversight, they will often abuse their power. Besides, some people enjoy having their right to privacy, even though you may be willing to give up your right to it.
Of course, they are both important but I myself wouldn't mind a government agent tapping into my phone since I've nothing to hide. It's all for the sake of law enforcement.
I don't mind at all. I find speaking of these things to be very interesting.
It's like that weird way of the only way to achieve peace is to make war (the hypocritical parts... heh...)
Oh wow... my english class (last year) did something like that. Went from talking about our books, to animals, to hats, then suddenly back to animals, then to religious things (forgot why) then it went back to the book. >.> It was weird. It lasted about an hour (yay waste of time) and some of us were just sitting there laughing while others just fell asleep and stuff...
Yes, everyone does have the right to freedom and the only way everyone will, de facto have all their de jure rights is if we keep making progress.
Freedom is not in anyway a privilege. Freedoms can only be taken away when absolutely necessary so as to ensure the freedoms of others. For example, when someone is imprisoned it is to insure that they don't violate the rights of others, not because they lost a privilege.
I saw weirder just yesterday. It moved from math to adjectives to brown shoes to bowling to shoes again and finally to throwing shoes at people.
Although tracking and big brotherism is all very good in theory (I agree with the theory), it's just not practicable. In any country there is a huge area to monitor, a huge number of people to force onto the system and a comparatively large number of people who need to be trusted with the huge responsibility of watching someones life. Worse than that, most first worlders have the conception that everyone has a right to freedom and they would not allow any 'democratic' government to put such policies in place.
Although everyone 'should' have a right to freedom, the world isn't that nice a place, like many people in it. I've always felt freedom is a privilege and if people are going to violate their responsibilities they should lose their privileges (which is true in criminal law).
I also find it funny how the conversation moved from god to astronomy to politics.
You obviously don't know how easy it is for the government to screw up when they're given the right to infringe on the rights of others, especially when the process isn't transparent. The measures used to enforce the laws are probably of even more overall importance than the laws themselves.
If this is all for the sake of law enforcement then I am not against it. I don't care much for the measures used to enforce laws, I'm more worried about what those laws are.
yothsothgoth, unlike in the past, imagine what a government as powerful as the United States becoming (even more) corrupt could cause. I don't see how the government could ever be stopped from taking away people's liberties if it becomes too corrupt in the modern world. It's already obvious that the U.S. government is pretty screwed up with things like the Patriot Act (That's an old article, by the way. The Patriot Act has been made permanent since then.).
Geez, well you're not paranoid (I think) but I find the US is more paranoid. Hehe...
I don't really care that much about the Illegal Immigrants that much, but I do think they should really complain to their government instead of going to us.
Plus, there's not a lot of points to tracking... aside from you really do no longer have any privacy, it's like someone wants to talk to you in person and on the phone or email you saying something like "I need to talk to you about something can you meet me at ________" It's like... the NSA or whomever find's it suspicious and then when you meet with the person, you can find like police force around and the all the person wants to say is something like "I love you"... (This is a weird thought, but the US is paranoid enough) Though if something like that does happen... *cough* mass debate *cough*
I do believe that some credit cards have chips inside that has the capability of being a tracker (though they're used for that paying faster thing like you can see from the annoying commercials of VISA and such)
Sometimes, I think next we'll have to get barcodes, tracking devices, and have to give the government bloodsamples.
I
know it sounds paranoid, but I've seen bills and other things that make me
believe that those aren't too far off.
The barcodes and tracking devices I remember seeing as the new social security card that they wanted everyone to get. It would track the people around the country, since they want to perhaps even use them as credit cards too. Also, the blood samples... has anyone heard about them wanting to inforce a required AIDS test for anyone who wants to work here in America? The more I think about the new bills and the US government and what they keep making into laws, it just keeps reminding me more and more of George Orwell's Big Brother from 1984.
http://www.wired.com/politics/onlinerights/news/2007/05/biometric
The bill was mostly about illegal immigrants, but they decided to put the new SS cards in there too.
Always remember to read the fine print! 