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Quote by marfish14The other countries were following the u.s.'s lead. Its not a good thing to be on bad terms with the u.s. as their more powerful than most countries. I must agree that it was the individuals decision on what they all did. There are many places where the u.s. could give aid to, but they chose to "help" a country that did not need it. They shouldnt even have invaded iraq in the first place and the fact that they changed their campaign for the war, makes it obvious that they were not just going in there to "help" them.
A nice one would have been to help in rwanda. As thousands died after the tutsi came and murdered the hutus. Great that they can invade a country that doesnt need it and let thousands die from an old fashioned slaughter

Tragically, if there were oil profits to be made in Rwanda, things might've been different.

The other countries were following the u.s.'s lead. Its not a good thing to be on bad terms with the u.s. as their more powerful than most countries. I must agree that it was the individuals decision on what they all did. There are many places where the u.s. could give aid to, but they chose to "help" a country that did not need it. They shouldnt even have invaded iraq in the first place and the fact that they changed their campaign for the war, makes it obvious that they were not just going in there to "help" them.

merged: 09-25-2007 ~ 12:33pm
A nice one would have been to help in rwanda. As thousands died after the tutsi came and murdered the hutus. Great that they can invade a country that doesnt need it and let thousands die from an old fashioned slaughter

Quote: look,i dont see how I can explain this but,half the country(Iraq) hates america and the other is celebrating US help.Thats as generous as I can be about this topic.

Well, a 'house divided against itself shall not stand' (Matthew 12:25). It's quite a tangled web over there in Iraq. Keep in mind, half of Vietnam was also divided and it also fell.

Quote by vatican92Well......... so why is US in Iraq trying to help Iraq when it's UN's job to do those things?

We weren't the only ones to invade Iraq. The UK, Australia, Denmark, Poland, and Peshmerga were also involved in the 2003 invasion. And the UN doesn't necessarily operate as one entity, all the nations have a say in international affairs and are free to practice their own foreign policy as long as it doesn't violate UN requirements of membership.

Well........... I am against that......
Even though it is hypothetically for the good of Iraq, people are still dying....... Which I am against.......

Quote by vatican92Well......... so why is US in Iraq trying to help Iraq when it's UN's job to do those things?

i really dont know about the specific jobs...im no expert on those kinda things,but do have great points why we should support our troops and trust in them.

Well......... so why is US in Iraq trying to help Iraq when it's UN's job to do those things?

Quote by marfish14Did you hear about the time when a group from the u.s. army saw a girl leaving the iraqi border and followed her. They killed her family and everyone of them raped her, then they killed her. I agree war, war isnt a picnic. But just because your from one side it doesnt make it right.

you must realize that just because someone is in the army doesnt make them a sinless decent person...things that happen(like the thing you mentioned)are examples of indecent soldiers.That is nor reason to blame the army.

merged: 09-23-2007 ~ 08:01am

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Quote by kingray100did you guys hear of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and they were talking to some civilians...but later those civilians told the terrorists where they were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you have to keep in mind....war isnt a picnic.

Well, this may be used against further involvement in the war in Iraq and reason to bring the troops home. The people of Iraq are against U.S. occupation. If that's the case then bring the troops home. If it were civilians telling U.S. forces where the terrorists were, then I'd be more pro-war.

look,i dont see how I can explain this but,half the country(Iraq) hates america and the other is celebrating US help.Thats as generous as I can be about this topic.

Did you hear about the time when a group from the u.s. army saw a girl leaving the iraqi border and followed her. They killed her family and everyone of them raped her, then they killed her. I agree war, war isnt a picnic. But just because your from one side it doesnt make it right.

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Quote by kingray100did you guys hear of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and they were talking to some civilians...but later those civilians told the terrorists where they were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you have to keep in mind....war isnt a picnic.

Well, this may be used against further involvement in the war in Iraq and reason to bring the troops home. The people of Iraq are against U.S. occupation. If that's the case then bring the troops home. If it were civilians telling U.S. forces where the terrorists were, then I'd be more pro-war.

did you guys hear of the story on how there were 4 men in the army in Iraq and they were talking to some civilians...but later those civilians told the terrorists where they were and 3 out of 4 men were killed?these are things you have to keep in mind....war isnt a picnic.

Well since I am not prepared to talk about this topic, I'll just stay out

There is no job, do you think the u.s. would go into a country that is like many others and strive to stop religious groups? Its not like murder was rampant, untill the u.s. came around and people tride standing up for their country. For one thing, thats not what the war was based on for the first campaign. Why would they need to go into this country so badly that they would need to change why their going in there, and go against the united nations? Wow, they must be a great country helping those poor people in iraq, murdering people and blowing up buildings. Although, why "help" iraq, when they never contributed any money to helping people in africa stop the spread of aids? The u.s. actually refused. Now, watch this. It has nothing to do with the conversation, I just found it amusing. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

Quote by kingray100and if my country had a dictator and another country was helping us rebuild our country,i would have no problem with it. thats all i will say right now.

Well, many people in the Middle East are very dedicated religiously to the point that during political turmoil, sectarian violence occurs as these different religious groups strive for greater political power. I personally would be for the more democratic-secularist group to gain power.

Quote by marfish14You know that their happy, because youve seen the news present them as being happy and telling you what their happy about. I believe I have seen the scene your talking about, but you have to take into consideration, that if they werent satisfied with their government, then what would the us be fighting in there for so many years? There has been so much destruction to their cities and so many deaths. If they werent satisfied, why would they not want the us's help? These are people like you and me, they wouldnt be fighting back for no reason. If gives the impression that we arent being told everything. It was against the united nations that the U.S. did so and all they have done is create chaos. You obviously do not follow what goes on in the world. I'm sure that if your cities lay in ruins, that you would be terribly happy with the U.S.. We dont really even get enough news on the war to really know what going on either. They'll sometimes give you a little blip of something that makes you feel that american way crap, but still keeping you in the dark. Besides, if they were liberating them, why would they need to change their campaign. It used to be that they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, but not finding any decided to change the campaign and hope for support for their people. Since 9/11 shook everyone up pretty badly in the U.S. many of the people had no quams and were just glad to be retaliating, to something in the general area of the people involved. There are a few conspiracies surrounding 9/11, but I'll not go into those. Not that I really put too much faith in such things. Here are a couple of videos. One is just basicaly against george bush and the war and the other talks about how he will gain dictatorship under certain circumstances as of his order. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBPB5odB8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXg6QOIsJE&mode=related&search=

the reason we are still over there is because terrorists are killing people over there....people in the middle east are people also.we want to end terrorism in the most part.We would love to get out of there,but not until the job is done.

You know that their happy, because youve seen the news present them as being happy and telling you what their happy about. I believe I have seen the scene your talking about, but you have to take into consideration, that if they werent satisfied with their government, then what would the us be fighting in there for so many years? There has been so much destruction to their cities and so many deaths. If they werent satisfied, why would they not want the us's help? These are people like you and me, they wouldnt be fighting back for no reason. If gives the impression that we arent being told everything. It was against the united nations that the U.S. did so and all they have done is create chaos. You obviously do not follow what goes on in the world. I'm sure that if your cities lay in ruins, that you would be terribly happy with the U.S.. We dont really even get enough news on the war to really know what going on either. They'll sometimes give you a little blip of something that makes you feel that american way crap, but still keeping you in the dark. Besides, if they were liberating them, why would they need to change their campaign. It used to be that they were looking for weapons of mass destruction, but not finding any decided to change the campaign and hope for support for their people. Since 9/11 shook everyone up pretty badly in the U.S. many of the people had no quams and were just glad to be retaliating, to something in the general area of the people involved. There are a few conspiracies surrounding 9/11, but I'll not go into those. Not that I really put too much faith in such things. Here are a couple of videos. One is just basicaly against george bush and the war and the other talks about how he will gain dictatorship under certain circumstances as of his order. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncBPB5odB8A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNXg6QOIsJE&mode=related&search=

Quote by marfish14For one thing, I was speaking about """""Evangelical Christians""""". This is a sect of christianity, and quite a large one at that. Here's a link to a documentary done on it. http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
Again, if your country was being invaded by people who wanted to overthrow your government. Would you stand by and watch them do so? The more people stand up, the more destruction and deaths, the more want to stand up. They used to have order, but now it is utter chaos thanks to the U.S..
I never said that george bush was a dictator please do not misinterprate. He infact stated on live television "You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier. So long as I'm the dictator" Of course it would be, lol. Does this sound like a responsible government when your own government has stated that it would rather it be a dictatorship? As I said, vote for someone competant and someone who actually wants to give people rights.

merged: 09-19-2007 ~ 06:22am
Heres the video of him saying it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukYQgcLZV68

we arent taking over.are you saying that the people preferred a dictator instead of a democracy of some sort?a lot of people in the middle east are happy to see usa support.

and if my country had a dictator and another country was helping us rebuild our country,i would have no problem with it. thats all i will say right now.

Yes I am a Christian but also as a human, even though we may believe in the same God, we cannot agree on a certain subject completely for there is the covenant from God and there is also moral and ethics in this world

I wish to be happy but from what I see of the current issues and how the world is going on, I find the definition of happiness rather vague......... not to mention considering all the people who are suffering, it's hard to be fine and happy just to myself

Oh and for the civilan casualty in wars, as fellow humans, I think we have a duty to respect other human's lives whether by the moral law of this world or from a religious point of view
But when armies go into a country and starts killing everybody assuming they are enemies because of a minority terrorist group, I find that rather barbaric
And also for Vietnam, it wasn't exactly a terrorist group but communist
Is communism that evil to the democrats' eyes that they must wipe them out?
Why couldn't they have just let Vietnam solve the problem on their own as a domestic affair?

Although I know as humans, we cannot fully carry out real communism because of our greed and sin nature, personally, I think the fundamental structure of communism is rather more commendable than democracy and capitalism

For one thing, I was speaking about """""Evangelical Christians""""". This is a sect of christianity, and quite a large one at that. Here's a link to a documentary done on it. http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
Again, if your country was being invaded by people who wanted to overthrow your government. Would you stand by and watch them do so? The more people stand up, the more destruction and deaths, the more want to stand up. They used to have order, but now it is utter chaos thanks to the U.S..
I never said that george bush was a dictator please do not misinterprate. He infact stated on live television "You don't get everything you want. A dictatorship would be a lot easier. So long as I'm the dictator" Of course it would be, lol. Does this sound like a responsible government when your own government has stated that it would rather it be a dictatorship? As I said, vote for someone competant and someone who actually wants to give people rights.

merged: 09-19-2007 ~ 06:22am
Heres the video of him saying it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukYQgcLZV68

Quote by marfish14You obviously didnt read everything I wrote. The leader of the taliban is in afghanistan. No doubt they would want to attack after the U.S. just went in and created anarchy. The U.S. went in and took down the government, would you sit back and let people from Iraq come in and take out George Bush? They were defending their country from a country that wanted to attack them for reasons unknown. They even had to change their campaign when they didnt find weapons of mass distruction and went against the United Nations. Its basicaly a takeover, put in a friendly government, and take their oil. Its dispicabe. By the way, your right that most of the people fighting in Iraq are christians, or rather Evangelical Christians. This sect of christianity believes that muslims are, infact evil. This is literaly what they believe. They also believe that wizards are evil, that they can talk to god and that global warming is a sham. Apparently this type of christian makes up 40% of your population and are apparently the the largest portion fighting in this war. Also, you define terrorists as basicaly any muslim who defies the U.S., did you know they had are had time defining the word to make the U.S. sound like one? Actually, they are defined by it. Its unfortunate but I cannot say that there is a way to back out of the massacre that youve started. All the U.S. has done is mutilated these poor people who almost all probably had nothing to do with 9/11. After all, the leader of the taliban isnt there. Do you even have any details about how the war is going? If it wasnt for a shady purpose that would get the publics attention they would air it. george bush is an idiot, havent you seen that from his speaches? He's probably go down in history as the stupidest voted in leader of any country. This isnt a war, its a massacre. I wouldnt doubt that if they got the chance they would attack, after the destruction and mutilation of their country. Hears some advice, when your old enough to vote. Vote for someone who's actually competent and not someone whose into being a dictator.

well,i dont know what wacky poll you read when saying christians think muslims are evil,because in the most case they arent....christians just believe they are slightly misguided.and i dont have a problem with glbal warming...its still in the neutral side for me and other christians.

and sorry to say it,but there are basically civilian deaths in every war,and i dont know if you know this but there are stories of when soldiers spared people and turns out that they end up killing a soldier with a bomb.Terrorists dont have a formal army...they use guerilla warfare.there's almost no idea who the actual enemy could be.

last but not least,you dont understand what a dictator is.If you define Bush as a dictator,not only are you part of the far left but are uneducated about dictators...Bush uses no force,simply uses the presidential powers he has fairly,explaining how the war shouldn't be gave up on.Bush is indeed a patriot.Kudos to him,and anyone else who supports our troops and the unpopular yet correct president.

merged: 09-19-2007 ~ 04:02am

Quote by vatican92Wow you guys wrote a lot.........
I do not have any knowledge on any other wars but I have a comment on the Vietnamese war

I personally think it was irrational for US to go into Vietnam
Firstly, after the Japanese were driven out from Vietnam, the French invaded Vietnam again and US did nothing to rebuke this action
But when communism began to take power in Vietnam, US decided to enter Vietnam and kill thousands of innocent civilians and poison the crops and the water just because of a hypothetical conjecture that communism will spread to neighboring countries
And eventually they got nothing out of the whole war for Vietnam stayed a communist nation after US left

War is meaningless......... only a cycle of endless murder and hatred
But ironic that people have to fight back........

Marfish: And whether it's a Christian or Muslim fighting for the war, you have to consider the motive for each and every person and why they are fighting
Some people might fight not because of the hatred against Christians or Muslim but for their country or just because they felt obligated to..........
Whatever the reason may be, I am against killing

I do agree that some Christians are rather disgusting
But I think majority of people are assuming that all Christians are just pious, self-righteous saints who are actually greedy to the core
And I cannot fully defy this proclamation for it is not fully false
But people need to realize that it is an imprudent action when they catagorize people of any belief because every individual is different
That's why there are so many religions now

Also agreed....... I thought that Bush was a terrible president and even wondered why he was voted the second time


Mei-san: I do not really enjoy when people call me emo or goth........ but I guess it's not surprising considering how I might look through other people's eyes..........

Well........ war is an ethical topic that can be discussed in any perspective whether Christians or Buddhist or whatever
And this group isn't always about Christianity is it?

vatican,your a christian right?well you should be happier,right?Things in life arent perfect,but they will pass.I will pray for your happiness because you are a smart person and deserve to be happy.

Quote by kingray100if you are watching the news,General Petraus made statements that the war is making progress.The president and the genral both say this....how are democrats and civilians really going to protest and say we are losing?As if they were in iraq....The president and general were both in Iraq and have seen what happens....we should trust our leaders of america and not only support our troops but pray for them.

Well, I'd have to take your word for it. I haven't read up on the topic. Been too busy with work and such.

its ok! im always called goth!

Wow you guys wrote a lot.........
I do not have any knowledge on any other wars but I have a comment on the Vietnamese war

I personally think it was irrational for US to go into Vietnam
Firstly, after the Japanese were driven out from Vietnam, the French invaded Vietnam again and US did nothing to rebuke this action
But when communism began to take power in Vietnam, US decided to enter Vietnam and kill thousands of innocent civilians and poison the crops and the water just because of a hypothetical conjecture that communism will spread to neighboring countries
And eventually they got nothing out of the whole war for Vietnam stayed a communist nation after US left

War is meaningless......... only a cycle of endless murder and hatred
But ironic that people have to fight back........

Marfish: And whether it's a Christian or Muslim fighting for the war, you have to consider the motive for each and every person and why they are fighting
Some people might fight not because of the hatred against Christians or Muslim but for their country or just because they felt obligated to..........
Whatever the reason may be, I am against killing

I do agree that some Christians are rather disgusting
But I think majority of people are assuming that all Christians are just pious, self-righteous saints who are actually greedy to the core
And I cannot fully defy this proclamation for it is not fully false
But people need to realize that it is an imprudent action when they catagorize people of any belief because every individual is different
That's why there are so many religions now

Also agreed....... I thought that Bush was a terrible president and even wondered why he was voted the second time


Mei-san: I do not really enjoy when people call me emo or goth........ but I guess it's not surprising considering how I might look through other people's eyes..........

Well........ war is an ethical topic that can be discussed in any perspective whether Christians or Buddhist or whatever
And this group isn't always about Christianity is it?

i am so lost...@.@ ok so the topic i war? so how does that relate 2 christans? im so confused!

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