Thank you, marfish and kingray. I don't mind alternate opinions being discussed
here, because discussion is one of the reasons this group exists in the first
place!
And while I don't want to come across as some strict, dictatorial admin, I think
the debate's gone long enough. When insults start flying along the opinions
being given, it's time to stop. It just means that you are getting so
defensively worked up that you attack the other person.
Uh, guys please this argument has gotten way out of hand. The group's guestbook
isn't the proper place for a debate like this...go and create a thread or
something if you'd want.
War is not a good thing.
Different people have different cultures and beliefs, and should be respected.
Fatheaded too, I never said that america was bad. I do not like your president,
nor do I agree with your countries lust for this war. You seem to think that it
is somehow justified that your country should invade iraq for reasons which have
been changed to appease the public. They are not in there to help, but to put in
their own u.s. friendly government, and are infact, trying to take their oil.
You could never hear about it, and it could be happening right under your nose
without the public ever knowing. Ive even heard a debate done by an aspiring
president, who gave his opinion on how to leave iraq without taking their oil
(which was only one part of the speach on how to leave iraq). Now, I dont know
how the news that they are in there to take their oil has not reached you, which
is constantly mentioned in protests, politics, and even by comedians. George
bush has mentioned that he does not wish for them to destroy their oil wells,
when he has basicaly destroyed their society, he still seems to care about their
oil. Anyway, there have been thousand of civilian deaths, by the u.s. who just
shoot because they are under the impression that they are terrorists. By the
way, you call this a war? I'm going to stop talking about this subject before
I'm somehow labeled as an enemy of the u.s. Its getting insane there, they even
want lists of planes that fly over the u.s. and dont land there. Getting way too
controling and paranoid. I actually heard about a guy who was visited by the fbi
for just talking badly of george bush and the war.
Quote by marfish14I got my information
about whats going on in china thanks to my parents. My mother is into buddhism a
bit and gets news from a buddhist website, from another china. Now, where this
information came from is no longer relivant, because it has already been
confermed by the news. The only part that has not been is the sensless murder of
the monks, which were the few that hid in the monasteries to give this
information. Anyway, for the last little while there, there were no more monks
protesting, when their demands had not yet been met. I'm not sure they were ever
met, they always stop reporting on things like this and you dont know what
happens. Anyway, this site sent out emails to make sure the public really knew
what was going on. If you think that the news on tv are the most reliable source
of information, youd be wrong. The opinions are almost always biased, when it
comes to the police and your not always getting the correct information, if at
all on certain matters. Man your very, very thick. The fact that he's mentioning
oil wells, is odd. Why the hell should he care what they do with their oil? He
should be caring about civilion deaths, or american deaths, their economy and
structure of society. I'm aware that the americans are massacuring this country
(which you call a war), but he should care about the stability of the country,
after all, hes supposed to flush out the "bad ones", instead of
justing killing the lot.
merged: 10-11-2007 ~ 10:45am
if you wish to discuss this somewhere else, make a thread.
im
not thick.just smart.big deal if he mentions we arent going to harm the oil
wells....some people might be afraid if we did destrroy them because face it,we
get lots of oil from the middleeast.thats a simple concept.and he is caring
about civilian deaths and other deaths.thats why he talks about the war so
much....people die in war,and people sign up in the army and ect knowing that
their life is at risk for their country...we will mourn the deaths that happen
in the war,but will also move on because we all expected war to come with
casualties.and last but not least,he is flushing out the bad ones.but realize
the terrorists dont have a formal army and that they use guerilla warfare most
of the time.there's no telling who's bad an who's good.there will always be
civilian deaths for one reason or another...just stop using that as an excuse to
say america is bad.
I got my information about whats going on in china thanks to my parents. My
mother is into buddhism a bit and gets news from a buddhist website, from
another china. Now, where this information came from is no longer relivant,
because it has already been confermed by the news. The only part that has not
been is the sensless murder of the monks, which were the few that hid in the
monasteries to give this information. Anyway, for the last little while there,
there were no more monks protesting, when their demands had not yet been met.
I'm not sure they were ever met, they always stop reporting on things like this
and you dont know what happens. Anyway, this site sent out emails to make sure
the public really knew what was going on. If you think that the news on tv are
the most reliable source of information, youd be wrong. The opinions are almost
always biased, when it comes to the police and your not always getting the
correct information, if at all on certain matters. Man your very, very thick.
The fact that he's mentioning oil wells, is odd. Why the hell should he care
what they do with their oil? He should be caring about civilion deaths, or
american deaths, their economy and structure of society. I'm aware that the
americans are massacuring this country (which you call a war), but he should
care about the stability of the country, after all, hes supposed to flush out
the "bad ones", instead of justing killing the lot.
merged: 10-11-2007 ~ 10:45am
if you wish to discuss this somewhere else, make a thread.
Quote by marfish14You are very thick.
The fact that hes telling the people not to destroy oil wells, only fuels the
idea that he is after the countries oil deposites. Why would he care enough to
tell them? Anyway, I have an example of recent events that go to show you how
much of the real news you may be getting. Have you heard about the protests that
have been going on in china recently? It was said that the people were throwing
bricks at the police, and they had no choice but to shoot several people. In
reality, all the protests were peaceful, being monks and all, and they have been
going into the monasteries and shooting the monks, one by one. You actually have
to have news resources from out of our countries to find out about this as they
tried to keep it quiet. In the past week though, it would seem that this news
has finally become more well known, and been talked about in the united nations.
Now, in china, they shot journalists to keep this quiet, in the u.s., they
control what your allowed to publish in the news articles. So all you ever get
is the incredibly biased opinion, or perhaps lies if the government
wishes.
first,you clearly dictate that you oppose the
government of america,obviously.Second,who cares if we dont want to destroy the
oil wells....is there a point in destroying them?no.
I was wondering where you got your information about China's incident?
and last but not least,i dont think we should be debating here in the first
place.
You are very thick. The fact that hes telling the people not to destroy oil
wells, only fuels the idea that he is after the countries oil deposites. Why
would he care enough to tell them? Anyway, I have an example of recent events
that go to show you how much of the real news you may be getting. Have you heard
about the protests that have been going on in china recently? It was said that
the people were throwing bricks at the police, and they had no choice but to
shoot several people. In reality, all the protests were peaceful, being monks
and all, and they have been going into the monasteries and shooting the monks,
one by one. You actually have to have news resources from out of our countries
to find out about this as they tried to keep it quiet. In the past week though,
it would seem that this news has finally become more well known, and been talked
about in the united nations. Now, in china, they shot journalists to keep this
quiet, in the u.s., they control what your allowed to publish in the news
articles. So all you ever get is the incredibly biased opinion, or perhaps lies
if the government wishes.
Quote by marfish14Lol, so nothing
stikes you as odd to be asking them to not destroy oil well? When the war is
thought to be based on taking their oil? Havent you heard that one of your
countries biggest oil wells dried up recently? I even heard a joke about the war
recently, I found it quite amusing. He said "One of the things that
confuses me most about this war, is how did our oil...get beneath their
sand?" I had a good laugh after hearing that. I heard from a movie made
several years ago by michael moore about 9/11. Apparently george bush had been
on good terms with the taliban leader before, but then he got on bad terms. I
dont remember what had compelled them to attack the us, but the biggest factor
would be that he actually knew about a warning for the attack before hand. He
did nothing, and even when he heard the country was under attack, he just sat
back and kept reading his childrens book to a class of kindergardners rather
than taking action. I believe this was when they were acually looking for him
afghanistan, but now their in iraq, causing chaos and the guy is still in
afghanistan. Canadians seem to be the only ones still in there after 9/11, no
longer peace keeping unfortunately. So how did the people of iraq forge this war
again?
well micheal moore is anti american,really,all
together...some of the things he says arent even true...besides...if the oil
isnt hurting us,their isnt a point to destroying it....and realize that nations
need oil and that even if it is a plus doesnt mean that its the point of the war
because obviously it isnt...
Lol, so nothing stikes you as odd to be asking them to not destroy oil well?
When the war is thought to be based on taking their oil? Havent you heard that
one of your countries biggest oil wells dried up recently? I even heard a joke
about the war recently, I found it quite amusing. He said "One of the
things that confuses me most about this war, is how did our oil...get beneath
their sand?" I had a good laugh after hearing that. I heard from a movie
made several years ago by michael moore about 9/11. Apparently george bush had
been on good terms with the taliban leader before, but then he got on bad terms.
I dont remember what had compelled them to attack the us, but the biggest factor
would be that he actually knew about a warning for the attack before hand. He
did nothing, and even when he heard the country was under attack, he just sat
back and kept reading his childrens book to a class of kindergardners rather
than taking action. I believe this was when they were acually looking for him
afghanistan, but now their in iraq, causing chaos and the guy is still in
afghanistan. Canadians seem to be the only ones still in there after 9/11, no
longer peace keeping unfortunately. So how did the people of iraq forge this war
again?
Quote by marfish14No, they were not
doing horribly. They were a functioning country, but now they are not. They are
now in chaos thanks to the army. Actually, it is the government who gains from
this. Didnt I tell you in the last message what could be done to the country to
benefit them? It may not be them getting the money directly, because the oil
companies or other such businesses, could be bribing george bush with large
amounts of money to make this war. Did you hear him tell the country not to
destroy their oil wells? That should be ringing some bells. They even invaded
for a reason, which was changed when they didnt find any of the Weapons of Mass
Destruction. And what about the us's, I suppose theirs could be called, weapons
of mass ritiousness as they dont have to destroy and dismantle theirs. Like how
they liberated the city of Hiroshima them. If you dont know what the points are,
then dont mention it. I'm sure people know more than us on both sides of the
spectrum, but it makes little sense to just assume.
the
question is,why would we want to destroy the oil wells in the first place?and
the country is in the middle of a crazy war forged by terrorists...of course its
not in order...
No, they were not doing horribly. They were a functioning country, but now they
are not. They are now in chaos thanks to the army. Actually, it is the
government who gains from this. Didnt I tell you in the last message what could
be done to the country to benefit them? It may not be them getting the money
directly, because the oil companies or other such businesses, could be bribing
george bush with large amounts of money to make this war. Did you hear him tell
the country not to destroy their oil wells? That should be ringing some bells.
They even invaded for a reason, which was changed when they didnt find any of
the Weapons of Mass Destruction. And what about the us's, I suppose theirs could
be called, weapons of mass ritiousness as they dont have to destroy and
dismantle theirs. Like how they liberated the city of Hiroshima them. If you
dont know what the points are, then dont mention it. I'm sure people know more
than us on both sides of the spectrum, but it makes little sense to just assume.
Quote by marfish14Ive already told you
that the leader of the taliban isnt even in iraq, he's in afgahnistan. Their
country wasnt in utter chaos before the us went in there. They had order, now
their resources are lower in price because people dont want to do business with
a country at war so it comes alot cheaper. Besides, when you have a government
of your choice put into another country, your sure to be able to exploit them a
lot better. Now, they of course have terrorists, but the us army are considered
terrorists right now if you would like to look up the definition. The us wasnt
even needed in the country, they had order and yes there was a feud going on,
but now its way out of hand thanks to the us's help. Havent heard of that.
Sounds like ******** proprieted by the government to win over the public. Lol,
only conservative governments that want to suck up to the us help in wars like
these.
the government isnt going to gain anything by sending
some of the public to war(considering there are some deaths of course)The
country was doing horrible,and we came to help them.just because you dont like
civilian deaths(i dont like deaths either) and war,doesnt mean that this war is
pointless,because it definitely has many points above your knowledge.
Ive already told you that the leader of the taliban isnt even in iraq, he's in
afgahnistan. Their country wasnt in utter chaos before the us went in there.
They had order, now their resources are lower in price because people dont want
to do business with a country at war so it comes alot cheaper. Besides, when you
have a government of your choice put into another country, your sure to be able
to exploit them a lot better. Now, they of course have terrorists, but the us
army are considered terrorists right now if you would like to look up the
definition. The us wasnt even needed in the country, they had order and yes
there was a feud going on, but now its way out of hand thanks to the us's help.
Havent heard of that. Sounds like ******** proprieted by the government to win
over the public. Lol, only conservative governments that want to suck up to the
us help in wars like these.
Quote by marfish14The other countries
were following the u.s.'s lead. Its not a good thing to be on bad terms with the
u.s. as their more powerful than most countries. I must agree that it was the
individuals decision on what they all did. There are many places where the u.s.
could give aid to, but they chose to "help" a country that did not
need it. They shouldnt even have invaded iraq in the first place and the fact
that they changed their campaign for the war, makes it obvious that they were
not just going in there to "help" them.
merged: 09-25-2007 ~ 12:33pm
A nice one would have been to help in rwanda. As thousands died after the tutsi
came and murdered the hutus. Great that they can invade a country that doesnt
need it and let thousands die from an old fashioned
slaughter
help a country that did not need it huh?yeah
because a country ruled by an evil dictator doesnt need help....a country
littered with extremists and terrorists doesnt need our help....the fact that
the terrorists will attack us again doesnt and shouldnt phase us right?Of course
Iraq and the mid eastern countries could use help,and to even our benefit of
getting rid of terrorists.Countries all around the world are happy to see action
taken against the terrorists and support the US.Just recently,American troops
killed a high ranked terrorists and recovered a letter that said that Al queda
is being destroyed and is getting weaker.Thats excellent news and a big turn
around in the war.We are winning and we want to finish our job.
merged: 09-29-2007 ~ 04:50am
Quote by vatican92Mmm........ so I
guess US attacking Iraq for oil wasn't totally false.......?
I still don't understand why they did invade Iraq........
its not for oil,vatican....thats just a comment used by
people against the war....there is a bigger point to the war....read my previous
post.
Quote by vatican92It's nothing
important Mei-san
Just ignorance and the mistakes of mankind..........
It's not
really the mistake of mankind as it is the mistake of politicians.
LOL!
the choice to stand up to terrorists after a deadly
attack on the US is a great one....what other country would want to stand up to
the terrorists that destroy civilizations?The war went through some tough times
but we are now turning the tables quite easily,my friend.
Quote by vatican92Mmm........ so I
guess US attacking Iraq for oil wasn't totally false.......?
I still don't understand why they did invade Iraq........
Well, the reason given (wmds) might've not been the only
reason (control of oil fields).
well just apply...and im sure u will be a regular member soon!
Hello to all fellow Christians here in MT! I'd like to join the group please ^_^
God bless Everyone!whoo!
um....yeah....
Thank you, marfish and kingray. I don't mind alternate opinions being discussed here, because discussion is one of the reasons this group exists in the first place!
And while I don't want to come across as some strict, dictatorial admin, I think the debate's gone long enough. When insults start flying along the opinions being given, it's time to stop. It just means that you are getting so defensively worked up that you attack the other person.
Thanks, guys.
agreed...pm me marfish if you wanna continue this debate....
Uh, guys please this argument has gotten way out of hand. The group's guestbook isn't the proper place for a debate like this...go and create a thread or something if you'd want.
War is not a good thing.
Different people have different cultures and beliefs, and should be respected.
And please...mind your language. Thank you.
Fatheaded too, I never said that america was bad. I do not like your president, nor do I agree with your countries lust for this war. You seem to think that it is somehow justified that your country should invade iraq for reasons which have been changed to appease the public. They are not in there to help, but to put in their own u.s. friendly government, and are infact, trying to take their oil. You could never hear about it, and it could be happening right under your nose without the public ever knowing. Ive even heard a debate done by an aspiring president, who gave his opinion on how to leave iraq without taking their oil (which was only one part of the speach on how to leave iraq). Now, I dont know how the news that they are in there to take their oil has not reached you, which is constantly mentioned in protests, politics, and even by comedians. George bush has mentioned that he does not wish for them to destroy their oil wells, when he has basicaly destroyed their society, he still seems to care about their oil. Anyway, there have been thousand of civilian deaths, by the u.s. who just shoot because they are under the impression that they are terrorists. By the way, you call this a war? I'm going to stop talking about this subject before I'm somehow labeled as an enemy of the u.s. Its getting insane there, they even want lists of planes that fly over the u.s. and dont land there. Getting way too controling and paranoid. I actually heard about a guy who was visited by the fbi for just talking badly of george bush and the war.
im not thick.just smart.big deal if he mentions we arent going to harm the oil wells....some people might be afraid if we did destrroy them because face it,we get lots of oil from the middleeast.thats a simple concept.and he is caring about civilian deaths and other deaths.thats why he talks about the war so much....people die in war,and people sign up in the army and ect knowing that their life is at risk for their country...we will mourn the deaths that happen in the war,but will also move on because we all expected war to come with casualties.and last but not least,he is flushing out the bad ones.but realize the terrorists dont have a formal army and that they use guerilla warfare most of the time.there's no telling who's bad an who's good.there will always be civilian deaths for one reason or another...just stop using that as an excuse to say america is bad.
I got my information about whats going on in china thanks to my parents. My mother is into buddhism a bit and gets news from a buddhist website, from another china. Now, where this information came from is no longer relivant, because it has already been confermed by the news. The only part that has not been is the sensless murder of the monks, which were the few that hid in the monasteries to give this information. Anyway, for the last little while there, there were no more monks protesting, when their demands had not yet been met. I'm not sure they were ever met, they always stop reporting on things like this and you dont know what happens. Anyway, this site sent out emails to make sure the public really knew what was going on. If you think that the news on tv are the most reliable source of information, youd be wrong. The opinions are almost always biased, when it comes to the police and your not always getting the correct information, if at all on certain matters. Man your very, very thick. The fact that he's mentioning oil wells, is odd. Why the hell should he care what they do with their oil? He should be caring about civilion deaths, or american deaths, their economy and structure of society. I'm aware that the americans are massacuring this country (which you call a war), but he should care about the stability of the country, after all, hes supposed to flush out the "bad ones", instead of justing killing the lot.
merged: 10-11-2007 ~ 10:45am
if you wish to discuss this somewhere else, make a thread.
first,you clearly dictate that you oppose the government of america,obviously.Second,who cares if we dont want to destroy the oil wells....is there a point in destroying them?no.
I was wondering where you got your information about China's incident?
and last but not least,i dont think we should be debating here in the first place.
You are very thick. The fact that hes telling the people not to destroy oil wells, only fuels the idea that he is after the countries oil deposites. Why would he care enough to tell them? Anyway, I have an example of recent events that go to show you how much of the real news you may be getting. Have you heard about the protests that have been going on in china recently? It was said that the people were throwing bricks at the police, and they had no choice but to shoot several people. In reality, all the protests were peaceful, being monks and all, and they have been going into the monasteries and shooting the monks, one by one. You actually have to have news resources from out of our countries to find out about this as they tried to keep it quiet. In the past week though, it would seem that this news has finally become more well known, and been talked about in the united nations. Now, in china, they shot journalists to keep this quiet, in the u.s., they control what your allowed to publish in the news articles. So all you ever get is the incredibly biased opinion, or perhaps lies if the government wishes.
sure go ahead!welcome!May god bless you!
Hey Guys
I have been a friend of god all my life and was just to busy to see if there was a Christian group. May i join?
well micheal moore is anti american,really,all together...some of the things he says arent even true...besides...if the oil isnt hurting us,their isnt a point to destroying it....and realize that nations need oil and that even if it is a plus doesnt mean that its the point of the war because obviously it isnt...
Lol, so nothing stikes you as odd to be asking them to not destroy oil well? When the war is thought to be based on taking their oil? Havent you heard that one of your countries biggest oil wells dried up recently? I even heard a joke about the war recently, I found it quite amusing. He said "One of the things that confuses me most about this war, is how did our oil...get beneath their sand?" I had a good laugh after hearing that. I heard from a movie made several years ago by michael moore about 9/11. Apparently george bush had been on good terms with the taliban leader before, but then he got on bad terms. I dont remember what had compelled them to attack the us, but the biggest factor would be that he actually knew about a warning for the attack before hand. He did nothing, and even when he heard the country was under attack, he just sat back and kept reading his childrens book to a class of kindergardners rather than taking action. I believe this was when they were acually looking for him afghanistan, but now their in iraq, causing chaos and the guy is still in afghanistan. Canadians seem to be the only ones still in there after 9/11, no longer peace keeping unfortunately. So how did the people of iraq forge this war again?
the question is,why would we want to destroy the oil wells in the first place?and the country is in the middle of a crazy war forged by terrorists...of course its not in order...
No, they were not doing horribly. They were a functioning country, but now they are not. They are now in chaos thanks to the army. Actually, it is the government who gains from this. Didnt I tell you in the last message what could be done to the country to benefit them? It may not be them getting the money directly, because the oil companies or other such businesses, could be bribing george bush with large amounts of money to make this war. Did you hear him tell the country not to destroy their oil wells? That should be ringing some bells. They even invaded for a reason, which was changed when they didnt find any of the Weapons of Mass Destruction. And what about the us's, I suppose theirs could be called, weapons of mass ritiousness as they dont have to destroy and dismantle theirs. Like how they liberated the city of Hiroshima them. If you dont know what the points are, then dont mention it. I'm sure people know more than us on both sides of the spectrum, but it makes little sense to just assume.
the government isnt going to gain anything by sending some of the public to war(considering there are some deaths of course)The country was doing horrible,and we came to help them.just because you dont like civilian deaths(i dont like deaths either) and war,doesnt mean that this war is pointless,because it definitely has many points above your knowledge.
Ive already told you that the leader of the taliban isnt even in iraq, he's in afgahnistan. Their country wasnt in utter chaos before the us went in there. They had order, now their resources are lower in price because people dont want to do business with a country at war so it comes alot cheaper. Besides, when you have a government of your choice put into another country, your sure to be able to exploit them a lot better. Now, they of course have terrorists, but the us army are considered terrorists right now if you would like to look up the definition. The us wasnt even needed in the country, they had order and yes there was a feud going on, but now its way out of hand thanks to the us's help. Havent heard of that. Sounds like ******** proprieted by the government to win over the public. Lol, only conservative governments that want to suck up to the us help in wars like these.
help a country that did not need it huh?yeah because a country ruled by an evil dictator doesnt need help....a country littered with extremists and terrorists doesnt need our help....the fact that the terrorists will attack us again doesnt and shouldnt phase us right?Of course Iraq and the mid eastern countries could use help,and to even our benefit of getting rid of terrorists.Countries all around the world are happy to see action taken against the terrorists and support the US.Just recently,American troops killed a high ranked terrorists and recovered a letter that said that Al queda is being destroyed and is getting weaker.Thats excellent news and a big turn around in the war.We are winning and we want to finish our job.
merged: 09-29-2007 ~ 04:50am
its not for oil,vatican....thats just a comment used by people against the war....there is a bigger point to the war....read my previous post.
merged: 09-29-2007 ~ 04:53am
the choice to stand up to terrorists after a deadly attack on the US is a great one....what other country would want to stand up to the terrorists that destroy civilizations?The war went through some tough times but we are now turning the tables quite easily,my friend.
It's not really the mistake of mankind as it is the mistake of politicians.
LOL!
It's nothing important Mei-san
Just ignorance and the mistakes of mankind..........
sry 2 b offending but im really confused...T.T
Well, the reason given (wmds) might've not been the only reason (control of oil fields).