Quote by littlejonny100So although
I don't think there's a god, I do think there must be 'something else', whether
that be a superhuman, an alien race or just a group of humans with advanced
technology who haven't told anyone. There have been plenty of documented
impossibilities and everyones experienced some sort themselves, so what do
people think?
One specific example is one day years ago I was throwing a football with my
friend who lives about 50 meters away on his front lawn. At one point a big red
4wd came driving up the road with sounds and all and then disappeared behind a
tree. When I saw that happen I instantly turned to my friend who was giving me
the exact same "what the" look. Things to note are that the car could
not physically hide behind the tree in any way, it drove out of site on one half
of the tree and didn't appear on the other half. We looked around and at all
angles and it was definitely impossible that it did what it did.
Most things can be explained rationally but I'm yet to find a decent one where
two people have the exact same delusion with sight and sound and no previous
influences.
Another interesting one was with a different friend, this one I hadn't seen for
about a month before this incident. He came in and we talked for a bit. (I'll
talk in bold, him in italics) I had this really
strange dream last nightyeah I did
toomine was about a magpieoh yeah, a talking one and it's name wasphoebe...right?and it was
sitting on the rocky ledge outside (person X)s house........pause where
we both stared at each other followed by various explicits.
Again I fail to find what could have sparked two friends who haven't seen each
other in a month with no influences to be able to have the same dream with those
specifics. We tried to find any reason why we dreamt those specific details and
there was nothing.
Again the question was, have you had such an experience and how do you explain
to yourself things like that?
No, I've never had a
'supernatural' event occur to me... I would've liked to have seen what you saw
so I could investigate it also but... I wasn't there so...
Quote by DarkRoseofHellI still
rest with the theory of aliens or people with crazy technology messing with our
minds for their own entertainment! :P
Also, the bird thing is kind of creepy, its like an omen...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH -.- Oh, that year during 6/6/06, math class, the overhead
projector thing stopped working, the light suddenly turned off for like 10
seconds, and there was a sonic boom that shook the whole builiding, :P
There are still many things we have yet to find out, though it would be sort of
fun to screw around with physics, though sort of scary
too.
Yeah, I remember 6/6/06... Nothing happened... Except
that some women refused to give birth on that date and 'held it in', so to
speak.
Quote by yothsothgothHouses where
people are injured by unxplained entities, places where gravity and physics seem
to be backwards, seeing birds rapping on a window sil before someone's death,
butterflies after someone's death.
About that physics part,
where are you talking about exactly because I have a feeling I've heard of the
place.
I still rest with the theory of aliens or people with crazy technology messing
with our minds for their own entertainment! :P
Also, the bird thing is kind of creepy, its like an omen...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH -.- Oh, that year during 6/6/06, math class, the overhead
projector thing stopped working, the light suddenly turned off for like 10
seconds, and there was a sonic boom that shook the whole builiding, :P
There are still many things we have yet to find out, though it would be sort of
fun to screw around with physics, though sort of scary too.
Where logic fails me, I usually think that its possibly due to things that have
yet to be explained. Yes, I have my religious beliefs too... however, I also
believe in other *unexplained* phenonomenon. Houses where people are injured by
unxplained entities, places where gravity and physics seem to be backwards,
seeing birds rapping on a window sil before someone's death, butterflies after
someone's death... I believe that there are things that just can't be explained
logically or by science. ...and personally, I'm okay with that. ^^ I will say
that I'm not always comfortable with the idea, but I'm okay knowing that there
are *unexplained* forces at work...
I think judgment should be withheld until you're able to find out what actually
happened in a situation where there appears to be no explanation. Ideas on what
could have caused something like two people having similar dreams are fine, but,
unless those ideas are substantiated by evidence, it's kind of stupid to believe
that aliens gave you those dreams or something.
Yes, I've had "experiences like those" I think. I don't try to explain
them if I can't. I just try to keep them in mind (or more recently, record them)
in case I figure out why in the future or just for the sake of it.
So although I don't think there's a god, I do think there must be 'something
else', whether that be a superhuman, an alien race or just a group of humans
with advanced technology who haven't told anyone. There have been plenty of
documented impossibilities and everyones experienced some sort themselves, so
what do people think?
One specific example is one day years ago I was throwing a football with my
friend who lives about 50 meters away on his front lawn. At one point a big red
4wd came driving up the road with sounds and all and then disappeared behind a
tree. When I saw that happen I instantly turned to my friend who was giving me
the exact same "what the" look. Things to note are that the car could
not physically hide behind the tree in any way, it drove out of site on one half
of the tree and didn't appear on the other half. We looked around and at all
angles and it was definitely impossible that it did what it did.
Most things can be explained rationally but I'm yet to find a decent one where
two people have the exact same delusion with sight and sound and no previous
influences.
Another interesting one was with a different friend, this one I hadn't seen for
about a month before this incident. He came in and we talked for a bit. (I'll
talk in bold, him in italics) I had this really
strange dream last nightyeah I did
toomine was about a magpieoh yeah, a talking one and it's name wasphoebe...right?and it was
sitting on the rocky ledge outside (person X)s house........pause where
we both stared at each other followed by various explicits.
Again I fail to find what could have sparked two friends who haven't seen each
other in a month with no influences to be able to have the same dream with those
specifics. We tried to find any reason why we dreamt those specific details and
there was nothing.
Again the question was, have you had such an experience and how do you explain
to yourself things like that?
Quote by ProgramZEROWow, that's
pretty whacky. I've heard of services that print out portraits with ink made out
of the ashes of dead loved ones. I am not kidding!
Quote by yothsothgothI've seen
funerals without a God reference. The "celebration of life" kind of
'funeral'. I think they're just fine to have, its best to share your fondest
memories of the person who is gone with others. Remembering the things that made
that person who they were is a nice way to go out. (at least, that's what I
think)
Yeah, last thing I want is to see a loved one pale and
lifeless.
Quote: My mom wants to donate her
body to science in hopes of possibly furthering medicine and perhaps as a
teaching tool. She's religious and all, but she wants one of those celebration
parties. She wants everyone to drink, talk about the good times and memories,
and to enjoy themselves... not mourn.
I'm considering that.
Donating my body to medical research and such. Very selfless.
Quote: Oh, I've also heard about
people cremating their loved ones and creating an artificial diamond with their
ashes. Kinda weird and somewhat disrespectful to me, but I have seen a story or
two floating around about people doing that... so evidently there are some
people 'okay' with wearing a deceased loved one on their finger.
Wow, that's pretty whacky. I've heard of services that print
out portraits with ink made out of the ashes of dead loved ones. I am not kidding!
I've seen funerals without a God reference. The "celebration of life"
kind of 'funeral'. I think they're just fine to have, its best to share your
fondest memories of the person who is gone with others. Remembering the things
that made that person who they were is a nice way to go out. (at least, that's
what I think)
My mom wants to donate her body to science in hopes of possibly furthering
medicine and perhaps as a teaching tool. She's religious and all, but she wants
one of those celebration parties. She wants everyone to drink, talk about the
good times and memories, and to enjoy themselves... not mourn.
I'm not one for cremation, however... I think eventually we'll have to resort to
that (made into a law because of lack of room because the ever growing
population and whatnot) or having our bodies sent into space. Personally, I
think I'd want people to have a party in my honor and be happy, not sad and
depressed... and I would like my body to be out in nature... in the woods or
something peaceful. I'd want people to miss me when I'm gone, but I wouldn't
want them to be sad.
Oh, I've also heard about people cremating their loved ones and creating an
artificial diamond with their ashes. Kinda weird and somewhat disrespectful to
me, but I have seen a story or two floating around about people doing that... so
evidently there are some people 'okay' with wearing a deceased loved on on their
finger.
that's the weird perception people always have. suppose when one's death, one
won't hold on to anything on earth.
some people instead scatter the deceased's ashes into the sea. i think that
saves up 98% of funeral cost already. as far as i know, Balinese in Indonesia
believe the death should be 'reunited' with the 5 elements of nature by reducing
it into ashes. that way, it frees the soul into next life.
no tears are shed by these Balinese. indeed they celebrate it as a step ahead
for next life's stage (how i wish
we can stamp out the culture of tearful mourning on natural death's funerals
)
one feels disgust upon seeing a rotten human, but not fish. why?
(just don't tell me fish is to be eaten )
Hehe, thats how Taiwan works, well, at least what I've seen. Cremate the body
and put the bones/remains of the cremation into a jar, then put it into this
little housing thing, not sure what its called. While each housing can hold up
to like... 20(?) people of the same family.
The funeral would be a celebration of life without the thanks to god and hymns
and such. I think you'd really need to be a heavy atheist to care how the
funeral proceeds outside of friend/relative speeches. Funerals are traditionally
set up this way, and god will be mentioned somewhere most times anyway
regardless of what the deceased may think.
I've always thought of burial as a waste of space, look at the size of some
cemetaries! I also find it a rather irksome way to go (sitting in the ground
while rotting in a box), and why would you say gods taken you to a better place
when your rotting body remains on the earth. I think cremation is the way to go,
then you don't need to worry about what to write on a tomb.
it's sad indeed that such people are mislead by their own religion. that's what
happens when religion is politicized.
love is blind, so is religion........
or for broader term, anything that's fanatic/addictive is blind
aside, may i ask, when one has no religion, how would the funeral be? buried
along with nothing but in earth of Mother Nature, or just a plain grave with
simple inscriptions of birth & death?
Quote by kokuyudespite this, some
religions seldom credit each other, yet claiming their religion is the most
glory among all. No offense, but Islam always do that glory thing, even to the
extent of saying it is largest growing religion in US.
Many
religions claim to be the ultimate. I've seen this especially prevalent in
Christianity and Islam. It's called henotheism.
Quote: I once met a Muslim cleric
who told me "After the Sept 11 incident, more & more Americans are
starting to embrace Islam,"
Really? This guy has got it
all wrong. You know, that's offensive because he's, in a way, praising 911.
Quote: but somehow, whether one is
a Christian, Muslim or Jewish, it makes no difference. One is still worshiping
the same God. That's why I find it pathetic to be proud in that way
It has come to the point where we have different sects
within these religions. Man just loves to draw lines. Pride is the fool's tool
after all.
Quote: p/s: Sumerian can sue these
religions for borrowing their stories without crediting them in their holy books
They'll take it to the Holiest Court.
*Two drum beats and a cymbal*
despite this, some religions seldom credit each other, yet claiming their
religion is the most glory among all. No offense, but Islam always do that glory
thing, even to the extent of saying it is largest growing religion in
US.
I once met a Muslim cleric who told me "After the Sept 11 incident, more
& more Americans are starting to embrace Islam,"
but somehow, whether one is a Christian, Muslim or Jewish, it makes no
difference. One is still worshiping the same God. That's why I find it pathetic
to be proud in that way
p/s: Sumerian can sue these religions for borrowing their stories without
crediting them in their holy books
Borrowing and copying isn't all that rare and it is happens more than just in
culture. Sometimes, and a lot of times, kids copy each other and they may or may
not notice that.
Most likely, some religions have been developed with lots of borrowing or
copying of ideas. Then there are some that just pop out of nowhere like the
Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Quote by kokuyuin my non-religious theory,
i guess borrowing some stuffs from other religions is an act to make acceptance
to this new religion easier, which also enables an aura of divinity exists,
since 'prophets' themselves can't instill the 'fear' amongst believers
themselves
but despite that, it may be to suit the culture in different place. when Islam
was first established in Saudi Arabia, it banned all 'harmful' things that is
prevalent there, such as the culture of "getting drunk is a sign of
manliness" (which is why alcohol is banned in Islam law).
If i'm not mistaken, pork is also labeled as 'dirty' food in bible, not just in
islam
Well, this borrowing isn't unique to religions.
Cultures and even languages also borrow from each other.
in my non-religious theory, i guess borrowing some stuffs from other religions
is an act to make acceptance to this new religion easier, which also enables an
aura of divinity exists, since 'prophets' themselves can't instill the 'fear'
amongst believers themselves
but despite that, it may be to suit the culture in different place. when Islam
was first established in Saudi Arabia, it banned all 'harmful' things that is
prevalent there, such as the culture of "getting drunk is a sign of
manliness" (which is why alcohol is banned in Islam law).
If i'm not mistaken, pork is also labeled as 'dirty' food in bible, not just in
islam
Quote by melymayHmmnn.. Let's say that
God started with Judaism, it was probably altered a little and created
Christianity.. It's like that king which I cannot name now that created the
Anglican (sp?) church. The dude changed some things, and made something else.. I
think it was so he could get a divorce or something like that.
Not really sure, I'm pretty much brain dead right now.. Hahah
Well, some people believe that ideas in the old testament
were grabbed from Mesopotamian/Sumerian mythology. Judaism itself is believed to
have Mesopotamian and Egyptian origins. However, these origins, as with several
other historical events, are contested to a certain degree. This is to be
expected since throughout history, religions have borrowed from other
religions. Sumerian and
Biblical parallels
Hmmnn.. Let's say that God started with Judaism, it was probably altered a
little and created Christianity.. It's like that king which I cannot name now
that created the Anglican (sp?) church. The dude changed some things, and made
something else.. I think it was so he could get a divorce or something like
that..
Not really sure, I'm pretty much brain dead right now.. Hahah
No, I've never had a 'supernatural' event occur to me... I would've liked to have seen what you saw so I could investigate it also but... I wasn't there so...
Yeah, I remember 6/6/06... Nothing happened... Except that some women refused to give birth on that date and 'held it in', so to speak.
About that physics part, where are you talking about exactly because I have a feeling I've heard of the place.
I still rest with the theory of aliens or people with crazy technology messing with our minds for their own entertainment! :P
Also, the bird thing is kind of creepy, its like an omen... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH -.- Oh, that year during 6/6/06, math class, the overhead projector thing stopped working, the light suddenly turned off for like 10 seconds, and there was a sonic boom that shook the whole builiding, :P
There are still many things we have yet to find out, though it would be sort of fun to screw around with physics, though sort of scary too.
Where logic fails me, I usually think that its possibly due to things that have yet to be explained. Yes, I have my religious beliefs too... however, I also believe in other *unexplained* phenonomenon. Houses where people are injured by unxplained entities, places where gravity and physics seem to be backwards, seeing birds rapping on a window sil before someone's death, butterflies after someone's death... I believe that there are things that just can't be explained logically or by science. ...and personally, I'm okay with that. ^^ I will say that I'm not always comfortable with the idea, but I'm okay knowing that there are *unexplained* forces at work...
I think judgment should be withheld until you're able to find out what actually happened in a situation where there appears to be no explanation. Ideas on what could have caused something like two people having similar dreams are fine, but, unless those ideas are substantiated by evidence, it's kind of stupid to believe that aliens gave you those dreams or something.
Yes, I've had "experiences like those" I think. I don't try to explain them if I can't. I just try to keep them in mind (or more recently, record them) in case I figure out why in the future or just for the sake of it.
Yeah, I had those, some are like me dreaming about something, then I wake up, after a few weeks or months or even years, the incident then happens.
I had one of those dreams with my friend, we were sort of creeped out, but it was really funny.
I say, there are people with crazy technology or aliens messing with our minds and having fun doing that!
So although I don't think there's a god, I do think there must be 'something else', whether that be a superhuman, an alien race or just a group of humans with advanced technology who haven't told anyone. There have been plenty of documented impossibilities and everyones experienced some sort themselves, so what do people think?
One specific example is one day years ago I was throwing a football with my friend who lives about 50 meters away on his front lawn. At one point a big red 4wd came driving up the road with sounds and all and then disappeared behind a tree. When I saw that happen I instantly turned to my friend who was giving me the exact same "what the" look. Things to note are that the car could not physically hide behind the tree in any way, it drove out of site on one half of the tree and didn't appear on the other half. We looked around and at all angles and it was definitely impossible that it did what it did.
Most things can be explained rationally but I'm yet to find a decent one where two people have the exact same delusion with sight and sound and no previous influences.
Another interesting one was with a different friend, this one I hadn't seen for about a month before this incident. He came in and we talked for a bit. (I'll talk in bold, him in italics) I had this really strange dream last night yeah I did too mine was about a magpie oh yeah, a talking one and it's name was phoebe...right? and it was sitting on the rocky ledge outside (person X)s house........pause where we both stared at each other followed by various explicits.
Again I fail to find what could have sparked two friends who haven't seen each other in a month with no influences to be able to have the same dream with those specifics. We tried to find any reason why we dreamt those specific details and there was nothing.
Again the question was, have you had such an experience and how do you explain to yourself things like that?
That's really cool.
I think that's pretty cool o_o.
On another note, for you evolution fans: http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/165
BTW, TED is an amazing site--it's full of intellectually inspiring ideas.
Yeah, last thing I want is to see a loved one pale and lifeless.
I'm considering that. Donating my body to medical research and such. Very selfless.
Wow, that's pretty whacky. I've heard of services that print out portraits with ink made out of the ashes of dead loved ones.
I am not kidding!
Ink After Life
I've seen funerals without a God reference. The "celebration of life" kind of 'funeral'. I think they're just fine to have, its best to share your fondest memories of the person who is gone with others. Remembering the things that made that person who they were is a nice way to go out. (at least, that's what I think)
My mom wants to donate her body to science in hopes of possibly furthering medicine and perhaps as a teaching tool. She's religious and all, but she wants one of those celebration parties. She wants everyone to drink, talk about the good times and memories, and to enjoy themselves... not mourn.
I'm not one for cremation, however... I think eventually we'll have to resort to that (made into a law because of lack of room because the ever growing population and whatnot) or having our bodies sent into space. Personally, I think I'd want people to have a party in my honor and be happy, not sad and depressed... and I would like my body to be out in nature... in the woods or something peaceful. I'd want people to miss me when I'm gone, but I wouldn't want them to be sad.
Oh, I've also heard about people cremating their loved ones and creating an artificial diamond with their ashes. Kinda weird and somewhat disrespectful to me, but I have seen a story or two floating around about people doing that... so evidently there are some people 'okay' with wearing a deceased loved on on their finger.
that's the weird perception people always have. suppose when one's death, one won't hold on to anything on earth.
some people instead scatter the deceased's ashes into the sea. i think that saves up 98% of funeral cost already. as far as i know, Balinese in Indonesia believe the death should be 'reunited' with the 5 elements of nature by reducing it into ashes. that way, it frees the soul into next life.
sounds naturally religious too, but its system is way beneficial
watch it
here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeT730gVRqg
no tears are shed by these Balinese. indeed they celebrate it as a step ahead for next life's stage
(how i wish
we can stamp out the culture of tearful mourning on natural death's funerals
)
one feels disgust upon seeing a rotten human, but not fish. why?
(just don't tell me fish is to be eaten 
)
I say put my body into a space rocket and launch me into the sun or a black hole. I want to go out in style! LOL!
Hehe, thats how Taiwan works, well, at least what I've seen. Cremate the body and put the bones/remains of the cremation into a jar, then put it into this little housing thing, not sure what its called. While each housing can hold up to like... 20(?) people of the same family.
The funeral would be a celebration of life without the thanks to god and hymns and such. I think you'd really need to be a heavy atheist to care how the funeral proceeds outside of friend/relative speeches. Funerals are traditionally set up this way, and god will be mentioned somewhere most times anyway regardless of what the deceased may think.
I've always thought of burial as a waste of space, look at the size of some cemetaries! I also find it a rather irksome way to go (sitting in the ground while rotting in a box), and why would you say gods taken you to a better place when your rotting body remains on the earth. I think cremation is the way to go, then you don't need to worry about what to write on a tomb.
it's sad indeed that such people are mislead by their own religion. that's what happens when religion is politicized.
love is blind, so is religion........
or for broader term, anything that's fanatic/addictive is blind
aside, may i ask, when one has no religion, how would the funeral be? buried along with nothing but in earth of Mother Nature, or just a plain grave with simple inscriptions of birth & death?
Too many religion likes to claim theres as the ultimate...
Hes just weird >.>
Wow... I'm sort of annoyed, oh well, kingray is annoying -.-
Many religions claim to be the ultimate. I've seen this especially prevalent in Christianity and Islam. It's called henotheism.
Really? This guy has got it all wrong. You know, that's offensive because he's, in a way, praising 911.
It has come to the point where we have different sects within these religions. Man just loves to draw lines. Pride is the fool's tool after all.
They'll take it to the Holiest Court.
*Two drum beats and a cymbal*
despite this, some religions seldom credit each other, yet claiming their religion is the most glory among all. No offense, but Islam always do that glory thing, even to the extent of saying it is largest growing religion in US.
I once met a Muslim cleric who told me "After the Sept 11 incident, more & more Americans are starting to embrace Islam,"
but somehow, whether one is a Christian, Muslim or Jewish, it makes no difference. One is still worshiping the same God. That's why I find it pathetic to be proud in that way
p/s: Sumerian can sue these religions for borrowing their stories without crediting them in their holy books
Thought I'd mention that my Akkadian professor (don't ask) says that the entire Noah's Ark/flood story is "borrowed" from a Sumerian myth.
*looks at the Japanese language* yup.
Borrowing and copying isn't all that rare and it is happens more than just in culture. Sometimes, and a lot of times, kids copy each other and they may or may not notice that.
Most likely, some religions have been developed with lots of borrowing or copying of ideas. Then there are some that just pop out of nowhere like the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Well, this borrowing isn't unique to religions. Cultures and even languages also borrow from each other.
in my non-religious theory, i guess borrowing some stuffs from other religions is an act to make acceptance to this new religion easier, which also enables an aura of divinity exists, since 'prophets' themselves can't instill the 'fear' amongst believers themselves
but despite that, it may be to suit the culture in different place. when Islam was first established in Saudi Arabia, it banned all 'harmful' things that is prevalent there, such as the culture of "getting drunk is a sign of manliness" (which is why alcohol is banned in Islam law).
If i'm not mistaken, pork is also labeled as 'dirty' food in bible, not just in islam
Well, some people believe that ideas in the old testament were grabbed from Mesopotamian/Sumerian mythology. Judaism itself is believed to have Mesopotamian and Egyptian origins. However, these origins, as with several other historical events, are contested to a certain degree. This is to be expected since throughout history, religions have borrowed from other religions.
Sumerian and Biblical parallels
Hmmnn.. Let's say that God started with Judaism, it was probably altered a little and created Christianity.. It's like that king which I cannot name now that created the Anglican (sp?) church. The dude changed some things, and made something else.. I think it was so he could get a divorce or something like that..
Not really sure, I'm pretty much brain dead right now.. Hahah