Quote by Spystreak
Well I'll keep an eye out for anybody that has question on the matter. I really
have a bad feeling though there is going to be alot of dissent at the huge
lowering of the DL quota.
Yeah...I think the complaints have started already (the curse of having started
the thread...getting all notifications...sigh)...but hopefully they'll die off
slowly
once people realize that credits are meant to be used
You might be getting a negative number of quotas today because of how many you
downloaded yesterday. That number gets subtracted from 5, thus a negative
number.
Don't worry, the quota should return to normal in 24 hours as it replentishes
itself.
-------
why the quota was lowered:
Yes, it is a big decrease. Dividing by 6 in fact. But we feel that 5 is a much
more reasonable number for the d/l quota.
When you have 30 free downloads for any 24 hour period, the quota completely
eliminates any purpose of the credits system. Few people create groups, and
those that use credits to submit artwork will readily earn them back from
comments and favorites received.
With 5, we now have a much more integrated system of quotas and credits and we
reach a balancing point between giving leechers something to live on and really
being fair to members who do contribute. The leechers can still download and
live. On the other hand, members who do contribute will never have problems
downloading anyways because even if they run out of the quota, they have earned
enough credits and will continue to earn credits to keep on downloading.
We now are putting the credits to good use, and by also hiding it when above
128, we are trying to reduce the perceived importance of credits. Before, people
are complaining about not earning credits even when they don't even use it
because of the quota. Now, they have the quota, and they will use their credits,
and so long as they have above 128, they can rest assured.
But of course, members will complain. They already are as I type this. But like
I said before, we can never satisfy everyone everywhere everytime. And to be
perfectly honest, if you look at who is
complaining and go to those people's userpages, the vast majority of them have
not done much contributing, i.e. probably were leechers enjoying the 30 quotas.
Quote by EternalParadoxI'll look
into vingh777. This guy's posting too many favorite threads with spam as the
first post.
On another note, in case anyone didn't notice, the free download quota has been
reduced to 5 per 24 hours. Much much more reasonable in my opinion, and by
consensus of the other mods.
Also, the credits is theh only thing hidden. But the "low" limit is
shown. 128 to be exact.
So if please help field questions in the forums regarding this change.
Thanks!
merged: 02-05-2006 ~ 01:31am
Nevermind, vinght777 already got a warning and muting from unicorn.
and saikusa warned him again for using a borderline explicit image of rei
ayanami as a profile pic.
I was wondering why my free Dl quota was -5. 128 haven't seen that number in
ages.
Well I'll keep an eye out for anybody that has question on the matter. I really
have a bad feeling though there is going to be alot of dissent at the huge
lowering of the DL quota.
I'll look into vingh777. This guy's posting too many favorite threads with spam
as the first post.
On another note, in case anyone didn't notice, the free download quota has been
reduced to 5 per 24 hours. Much much more reasonable in my opinion, and by
consensus of the other mods.
Also, the credits is theh only thing hidden. But the "low" limit is
shown. 128 to be exact.
So if please help field questions in the forums regarding this change.
Thanks!
merged: 02-05-2006 ~ 01:31am
Nevermind, vinght777 already got a warning and muting from unicorn.
and saikusa warned him again for using a borderline explicit image of rei
ayanami as a profile pic.
If I recall, Vinght777 was warned once before for being insubordinate about his
gallery submissions. If he continues this, he will eventually be banned.
Actually I was in a way referring to old favorites threads and the like since I
have noticed more people target those to post in for some odd reason. So far
I've only seen a few old threads being bumped that actually had some sort of
discussion going on.
~Edit~
I'm quite puzzled with this new move of hiding the DL quota and credits. From
some of the posts I read in Cyd84's thread a few members are quite upset with
this move. I for one am intrigued as to why this was suddenly implemented.
On a side note I think someone should keep an eye on Vinght777. This member
seems to be posting a high volume of threads in only one day. Many of which are
non discussion producing. Seems to have ignored the warning given by
Eternalparadox and continues to post threads
I actually don't have a problem with necromancy for threads with good discussion
that are not time-sensitive (e.g. a thread that isn't about a current event, an
upcoming release, etc.). Threads on more superficial topics threads that are no
longer relevent (for whatever reason) are, however, fair game for closure.
__________
I would like to make a quick little note on the latest round of staff shuffling.
Chaos Cross has always been more focused on the forum aspect of the community,
and given that all three forum moderators are staff in this group, I decided to
streamline Chaos Cross to shape it into the primary body for coordinating
efforts between staff and volunteers in ensuring adherence to the
Policy.
xandman remains an administrator of this group because while he is no longer
involved with the group and in fact has renounced MT3, he was the founder of the
group, and therefore it is the least we can do to allow him to retain an
honorary administrator status.
That is a good idea but there is still the problem of some people still just
ignoring the what is posted and just post whatever they want. Ofcourse if they
try and use the excuse oh I didn't know it won;t work since the rules are right
in front of them.
Not to bring up old news but I've seen some really old threads being bumped up
by new and sometimes older members. Is there any way for the mods to close some
of these threads so that they can't be posted in like threads that haven't been
ative for over 45 weeks let's just say.
Quote by SilentMasamuneIt seems
the moderators of MT are generally the admins of this group with the exception
of one. Neat promotions.
The policy questionnaire isn't so much of a bad idea, and it's a unique
implementation too. However, I believe that there are better things we could do
that won't lead the general audience astray. Making the information about the
threads and the submissions more available to the members should be priority.
For example, when in the process of making a submission, information about
making submissions should be on that exact page.
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/submit/wallpaper/
- This is where I think the information would be stored the best; the only thing
that is outlined there is information on how to submit the gallery items, not
any of the restrictions.
The same could apply while in the process of creating a thread. To that end,
there should almost be no way thet information is overlooked and that would also
help the members think about how they will make their presentations. How does
this sound?
I think shin made unicorn and me group admins yesterday. I only noticed today,
and I was group mod before. lol
Anyways, I think you have a very good suggestion mel. I definitely would support
this change. Having a concise version of a few key policies and guidelines in
each step of the submission, thread creation, and review submission process
would I think be extremely helpful.
In my time moderating, I get a lot of PMs with "I'm sorry, I'm new, and I
didn't know. It won't happen again." Most of these members have not
repeated the same mistakes, which I think is indicative of Mel's point - the
Policy is not made as readily available as it should be. So if concise summaries
of specific policy clauses pertaining to the action at hand is displayed right
where the action is performed, then that should definitely draw attention to the
policy governing that particular section. Then, as members do other things, they
will read all the parts of the Policy.
This suggestion will also be the silver bullet to the "I didn't know"
excuse to policy violations. They can't claim ignorance if the policy is right
on the page on which they committed the violations. =D
Of course, this must not eliminate the need of having the Policy displayed in
its full, entire form in the Support section, and I think there still needs to
be some sort of policy component to member registration.
It seems the moderators of MT are generally the admins of this group with the
exception of one. Neat promotions.
The policy questionnaire isn't so much of a bad idea, and it's a unique
implementation too. However, I believe that there are better things we could do
that won't lead the general audience astray. Making the information about the
threads and the submissions more available to the members should be priority.
For example, when in the process of making a submission, information about
making submissions should be on that exact page.
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/submit/wallpaper/
- This is where I think the information would be stored the best; the only thing
that is outlined there is information on how to submit the gallery items, not
any of the restrictions.
The same could apply while in the process of creating a thread. To that end,
there should almost be no way thet information is overlooked and that would also
help the members think about how they will make their presentations. How does
this sound?
Quote by Spystreak
Basically if a topic has no discussion going on usually in favorite or best such
and such threads. Bumped thread those should be reported I look for ones that
have been inactive 5 weeks or more and then someone new posts in them. Also any
thread in general where the answers being given either don't help or are just
repetitious of ones that have been given many times before. Also any thread that
seems to be just one large argument where members just argue those hardly serve
much discussional purpose.
Sigh...sounds like a lot of mt threads...but I'll try to help keep them to a
minimum
merged: 02-01-2006 ~ 02:33am
Just a note...the link to CSI-mt is still in the old mt2
format
Yup it is one big job which is why it's so great to have more helpers. Otherwise
we'd all go nuts from the spamming. @_@
Quote by Spystreak
Basically if a topic has no discussion going on usually in favorite or best such
and such threads. Bumped thread those should be reported I look for ones that
have been inactive 5 weeks or more and then someone new posts in them. Also any
thread in general where the answers being given either don't help or are just
repetitious of ones that have been given many times before. Also any thread that
seems to be just one large argument where members just argue those hardly serve
much discussional purpose.
Sigh...sounds like a lot of mt threads...but I'll try to help keep them to a
minimum
merged: 02-01-2006 ~ 02:33am
Just a note...the link to CSI-mt is still in the old mt2 format
Quote by cyd84Hey thanks for accepting me
in the group! (feeling even more commitment to reporting things now )
Aside from general mt rules and the tips at the top of group page...any other
guidelines to consider/follow or current projects to help with?
EDIT: also...I get the basics of reporting gallery items...but how off-topic do
forum threads have to be to reported? (aside from basic doubles
etc.)
Basically if a topic has no discussion going on usually in favorite or best such
and such threads. Bumped thread those should be reported I look for ones that
have been inactive 5 weeks or more and then someone new posts in them. Also any
thread in general where the answers being given either don't help or are just
repetitious of ones that have been given many times before. Also any thread that
seems to be just one large argument where members just argue those hardly serve
much discussional purpose.
Hey thanks for accepting me in the group! (feeling even more commitment to
reporting things now )
Aside from general mt rules and the tips at the top of group page...any other
guidelines to consider/follow or current projects to help with?
EDIT: also...I get the basics of reporting gallery items...but how off-topic do
forum threads have to be to reported? (aside from basic doubles etc.)
Quote by ShinsengumiOne thing that I
had thought was a novel idea was the idea of a Policy quiz at registration,
where perhaps three questions randomly-selected from a pool of a dozen or more
questions would be displayed to a new user. All questions would have to be
answered correctly in order for registration to proceed. Otherwise, the page
would reload and a new set of questions would appear.
That's a pretty good idea actually. I honestly can't really see any problems
with that sort of idea. Although how many questions would there be or would it
be a random thing in which a new set of question is produced everytime a person
got one or two wrong. If that were the case that is a really great idea since it
would eliminate the chance of a person getting the same series of questions
again.
Quote by SpystreakWell we had discussed
this to some length awhile back in regards to some sort of force to make new
members read the MT policy. Soulscholar even suggested creating a hidden link to
make sure that people actually read it. I think this is a great idea but again
we would have to wait for Sheqels response which at the moment won;t be for
awhile from what I read in a few threads he seems to be busy with more important
and urgant matters.
The problem I see with an automated message is that people might just ignore it
as with any such PM or post in their gb in regards to rules and what not. Unless
ofcourse you make it so that it keeps appearing acting as an annoyance to the
member until they finally decide to actually read the message
One thing that I had thought was a novel idea was the idea
of a Policy quiz at registration, where perhaps three questions
randomly-selected from a pool of a dozen or more questions would be displayed to
a new user. All questions would have to be answered correctly in order for
registration to proceed. Otherwise, the page would reload and a new set of
questions would appear.
Anyhow, like you noted, in the end it's really up to Sheqel, though I certainly
have the policy issue on my list of high-priority issues.
Well we had discussed this to some length awhile back in regards to some sort of
force to make new members read the MT policy. Soulscholar even suggested
creating a hidden link to make sure that people actually read it. I think this
is a great idea but again we would have to wait for Sheqels response which at
the moment won;t be for awhile from what I read in a few threads he seems to be
busy with more important and urgant matters.
The problem I see with an automated message is that people might just ignore it
as with any such PM or post in their gb in regards to rules and what not. Unless
ofcourse you make it so that it keeps appearing acting as an annoyance to the
member until they finally decide to actually read the message
Anyways, thanks for the kudos EP, it's a pleasure to be here. I'd probably have
been here sooner if I'd known there was such an active group like this.
I have been doing a lot of gallery reporting lately, and I've noticed that when
I send PM's to new members politely asking them to remove wallpapers they didn't
do, about half of them apologize and delete the ripped stuff. This tells me that
a lot of these guys aren't maliciously breaking the rules, they're just unaware.
I've already made suggestions about an automated notification system in the
"Are you happy?" thread, so I won't repeat them here, but does anyone
have any opinions about this?
And for my next trick: I'll actually write some stuff on my userpage!
I also invited somebodyelse to our group. This guy is crazy. He pretty much did
a minesweep of 90% of all the pwn3d images and is very active in gallery
reports. We are definitely glad he's on our side. Welcome to somebodyelse.!
Hey, I'm applying to join this group...I've been stepping up efforts to report
gallery items and offer help to newer people, so it'd be great to discuss with
other mters who care
merged: 01-29-2006 ~ 11:02pm
Hey...I got a welcome message from BotChii...but the link didn't work and I'm
still an aspirant member...anything I need to do?
Yeah...I think the complaints have started already (the curse of having started the thread...getting all notifications...sigh)...but hopefully they'll die off slowly
once people realize that credits are meant to be used
You might be getting a negative number of quotas today because of how many you downloaded yesterday. That number gets subtracted from 5, thus a negative number.
Don't worry, the quota should return to normal in 24 hours as it replentishes itself.
-------
why the quota was lowered:
Yes, it is a big decrease. Dividing by 6 in fact. But we feel that 5 is a much more reasonable number for the d/l quota.
When you have 30 free downloads for any 24 hour period, the quota completely eliminates any purpose of the credits system. Few people create groups, and those that use credits to submit artwork will readily earn them back from comments and favorites received.
With 5, we now have a much more integrated system of quotas and credits and we reach a balancing point between giving leechers something to live on and really being fair to members who do contribute. The leechers can still download and live. On the other hand, members who do contribute will never have problems downloading anyways because even if they run out of the quota, they have earned enough credits and will continue to earn credits to keep on downloading.
We now are putting the credits to good use, and by also hiding it when above 128, we are trying to reduce the perceived importance of credits. Before, people are complaining about not earning credits even when they don't even use it because of the quota. Now, they have the quota, and they will use their credits, and so long as they have above 128, they can rest assured.
But of course, members will complain. They already are as I type this. But like I said before, we can never satisfy everyone everywhere everytime. And to be perfectly honest, if you look at who is complaining and go to those people's userpages, the vast majority of them have not done much contributing, i.e. probably were leechers enjoying the 30 quotas.
I was wondering why my free Dl quota was -5. 128 haven't seen that number in ages.
Well I'll keep an eye out for anybody that has question on the matter. I really have a bad feeling though there is going to be alot of dissent at the huge lowering of the DL quota.
I'll look into vingh777. This guy's posting too many favorite threads with spam as the first post.
On another note, in case anyone didn't notice, the free download quota has been reduced to 5 per 24 hours. Much much more reasonable in my opinion, and by consensus of the other mods.
Also, the credits is theh only thing hidden. But the "low" limit is shown. 128 to be exact.
So if please help field questions in the forums regarding this change. Thanks!
merged: 02-05-2006 ~ 01:31am
Nevermind, vinght777 already got a warning and muting from unicorn.
and saikusa warned him again for using a borderline explicit image of rei ayanami as a profile pic.
If I recall, Vinght777 was warned once before for being insubordinate about his gallery submissions. If he continues this, he will eventually be banned.
Actually I was in a way referring to old favorites threads and the like since I have noticed more people target those to post in for some odd reason. So far I've only seen a few old threads being bumped that actually had some sort of discussion going on.
~Edit~
I'm quite puzzled with this new move of hiding the DL quota and credits. From some of the posts I read in Cyd84's thread a few members are quite upset with this move. I for one am intrigued as to why this was suddenly implemented.
On a side note I think someone should keep an eye on Vinght777. This member seems to be posting a high volume of threads in only one day. Many of which are non discussion producing. Seems to have ignored the warning given by Eternalparadox and continues to post threads
I actually don't have a problem with necromancy for threads with good discussion that are not time-sensitive (e.g. a thread that isn't about a current event, an upcoming release, etc.). Threads on more superficial topics threads that are no longer relevent (for whatever reason) are, however, fair game for closure.
__________
I would like to make a quick little note on the latest round of staff shuffling. Chaos Cross has always been more focused on the forum aspect of the community, and given that all three forum moderators are staff in this group, I decided to streamline Chaos Cross to shape it into the primary body for coordinating efforts between staff and volunteers in ensuring adherence to the Policy.
xandman remains an administrator of this group because while he is no longer involved with the group and in fact has renounced MT3, he was the founder of the group, and therefore it is the least we can do to allow him to retain an honorary administrator status.
Hope that clarifies things!
That is a good idea but there is still the problem of some people still just ignoring the what is posted and just post whatever they want. Ofcourse if they try and use the excuse oh I didn't know it won;t work since the rules are right in front of them.
Not to bring up old news but I've seen some really old threads being bumped up by new and sometimes older members. Is there any way for the mods to close some of these threads so that they can't be posted in like threads that haven't been ative for over 45 weeks let's just say.
I think shin made unicorn and me group admins yesterday. I only noticed today, and I was group mod before. lol
Anyways, I think you have a very good suggestion mel. I definitely would support this change. Having a concise version of a few key policies and guidelines in each step of the submission, thread creation, and review submission process would I think be extremely helpful.
In my time moderating, I get a lot of PMs with "I'm sorry, I'm new, and I didn't know. It won't happen again." Most of these members have not repeated the same mistakes, which I think is indicative of Mel's point - the Policy is not made as readily available as it should be. So if concise summaries of specific policy clauses pertaining to the action at hand is displayed right where the action is performed, then that should definitely draw attention to the policy governing that particular section. Then, as members do other things, they will read all the parts of the Policy.
This suggestion will also be the silver bullet to the "I didn't know" excuse to policy violations. They can't claim ignorance if the policy is right on the page on which they committed the violations. =D
Of course, this must not eliminate the need of having the Policy displayed in its full, entire form in the Support section, and I think there still needs to be some sort of policy component to member registration.
Good suggestion silentmasamune! =)
It seems the moderators of MT are generally the admins of this group with the exception of one. Neat promotions.
The policy questionnaire isn't so much of a bad idea, and it's a unique implementation too. However, I believe that there are better things we could do that won't lead the general audience astray. Making the information about the threads and the submissions more available to the members should be priority. For example, when in the process of making a submission, information about making submissions should be on that exact page.
http://gallery.minitokyo.net/submit/wallpaper/ - This is where I think the information would be stored the best; the only thing that is outlined there is information on how to submit the gallery items, not any of the restrictions.
The same could apply while in the process of creating a thread. To that end, there should almost be no way thet information is overlooked and that would also help the members think about how they will make their presentations. How does this sound?
Yup it is one big job which is why it's so great to have more helpers. Otherwise we'd all go nuts from the spamming. @_@
fixed
And didn't know I was a group admin till today. Thanks Shin.
Sigh...sounds like a lot of mt threads...but I'll try to help keep them to a minimum
merged: 02-01-2006 ~ 02:33am
Just a note...the link to CSI-mt is still in the old mt2 format
Basically if a topic has no discussion going on usually in favorite or best such and such threads. Bumped thread those should be reported I look for ones that have been inactive 5 weeks or more and then someone new posts in them. Also any thread in general where the answers being given either don't help or are just repetitious of ones that have been given many times before. Also any thread that seems to be just one large argument where members just argue those hardly serve much discussional purpose.
Hey thanks for accepting me in the group! (feeling even more commitment to reporting things now
)
Aside from general mt rules and the tips at the top of group page...any other guidelines to consider/follow or current projects to help with?
EDIT: also...I get the basics of reporting gallery items...but how off-topic do forum threads have to be to reported? (aside from basic doubles etc.)
That's a pretty good idea actually. I honestly can't really see any problems with that sort of idea. Although how many questions would there be or would it be a random thing in which a new set of question is produced everytime a person got one or two wrong. If that were the case that is a really great idea since it would eliminate the chance of a person getting the same series of questions again.
First things first. . . *salutes somebodyelse*
One thing that I had thought was a novel idea was the idea of a Policy quiz at registration, where perhaps three questions randomly-selected from a pool of a dozen or more questions would be displayed to a new user. All questions would have to be answered correctly in order for registration to proceed. Otherwise, the page would reload and a new set of questions would appear.
Anyhow, like you noted, in the end it's really up to Sheqel, though I certainly have the policy issue on my list of high-priority issues.
Well we had discussed this to some length awhile back in regards to some sort of force to make new members read the MT policy. Soulscholar even suggested creating a hidden link to make sure that people actually read it. I think this is a great idea but again we would have to wait for Sheqels response which at the moment won;t be for awhile from what I read in a few threads he seems to be busy with more important and urgant matters.
The problem I see with an automated message is that people might just ignore it as with any such PM or post in their gb in regards to rules and what not. Unless ofcourse you make it so that it keeps appearing acting as an annoyance to the member until they finally decide to actually read the message
hehe, okay, maybe not crazy, but wouldn't it be nice if more people killed their boredom doing what you do?
I'm not crazy, I was just bored! *cough *
Anyways, thanks for the kudos EP, it's a pleasure to be here. I'd probably have been here sooner if I'd known there was such an active group like this.
I have been doing a lot of gallery reporting lately, and I've noticed that when I send PM's to new members politely asking them to remove wallpapers they didn't do, about half of them apologize and delete the ripped stuff. This tells me that a lot of these guys aren't maliciously breaking the rules, they're just unaware. I've already made suggestions about an automated notification system in the "Are you happy?" thread, so I won't repeat them here, but does anyone have any opinions about this?
And for my next trick: I'll actually write some stuff on my userpage!
I also invited somebodyelse to our group. This guy is crazy. He pretty much did a minesweep of 90% of all the pwn3d images and is very active in gallery reports. We are definitely glad he's on our side. Welcome to somebodyelse.!
yup yup welcome cyd84.
has anyone else noticed the large number of old threads being bumped? I've reported a few of them in just the past week. Maybe 10 or so atleast.
Welcome cyd84 to Chaos-Cross. I accepted you to the group so now you should see "member" on your userpage.
Hey, I'm applying to join this group...I've been stepping up efforts to report gallery items and offer help to newer people, so it'd be great to discuss with other mters who care
merged: 01-29-2006 ~ 11:02pm
Hey...I got a welcome message from BotChii...but the link didn't work and I'm still an aspirant member...anything I need to do?